I didn’t think these people were real until I had to explain to one very carefully that I do not have time nor the want to fuck with Arch and Ubuntu works for me when I was asking a simple display IT question on Reddit.
That sucks man. There needs to be less division and derision in the Linux community. Not that there is a lot, but there is enough to drive some people away. It's not as easy as windows to daily drive Linux. It is SO MUCH better than it used to be, but it still isn't something you can just dump on a family member or friend and expect to not get calls about it.
And worse, it isn't the same for almost anyone. I've had good luck with Arch derivatives (Manjaro and Garuda), but I've got friends that tried running the exact same OS and build etc. on very similar hardware and can't get half the games working that I play regularly with minimal effort - even following the same steps I used with no issues. They install Ubuntu or Mint and suddenly it works fine... Happy it works, but none of us know why or what to do if something similar happens next time...
And somehow, it seems every problem any of us runs into are so bizarre (or we don't know enough "likely causes" to google specific and correct terminology) that it seems like no one on the internet has ever had it happen before. Thankfully it's been going great for me, but one of my friends is just having a rough time of it. :(
TL;DR - Thank you to all the actually helpful people in the Linux community that make this journey possible for the rest of us. To the people being dicks: if you have to swing down constantly to feel good, re-evaluate your life choices and leave us out of it.
Yeah, I need more of an all 'rounder, but Linux choice is all about use cases. Ubuntu is just so bog standard I can set it and forget it for most things and I appreciate that.
I mean, currently I’m having less trouble using Arch to game than I was with anything else. I think the big thing is that Aech has a rapid release of updates, and the Steamdeck is based on Arch.
If you want those benefits without a lot of the annoying complexity during setup, there is always EndeavorOS. It’s pretty close to a basic Arch install, but it holds your hand a lot more.
Sounds like something you might say if you hadn’t used Arch to daily drive? I’m about to hop off Lemmy and play some ff7 remake which cost me exactly no effort to install. Maybe arch used to be hard, but I’ve yet to see it and I built from minimal install. Meta packages yo.
PopOS gaming was a shit show for me, steam wouldn’t work and installing non free drivers borked my system like it was Ubuntu 12.04. I honestly don’t have any idea what PopOS does that others don’t for gaming, steam/wine/lutris/bottles are distribution agnostic. I’ve only ever heard people say PopOS for gaming but never seen anything showing why it’s better.
Full disclosure this was a while ago and I’ve gone separate ways with Debian and derivatives for now.
What PopOS’ did different was not any of the software you mentioned. It was proprietary NVIDIA drivers. They shipped them with the ISO and put it front and center.
I can’t remember the details now, but I tried running Ubuntu on my desktop first but I had trouble with some software not running. Then I tried Arch, and it just worked 🤷♂️
5 years now and it’s still running fine. Any problems I have are fixed with a quick google, and maybe a copy and a paste lol
From what I understand, it usually boils down to user having some modern hardware which has drivers only in recent kernel versions. Since Ubuntu lags behind in Kernel versions, it can be that appropriate drivers for your hardware are simply not there.
For instance Asus-linux community dedicated to using Linux on modern (usually gaming) Asus laptops has a huge Ubuntu warning and recommends Fedora or Arch based distros.
Im just here waiting for the inevitable reverse of this reverse meme. Real question, and maybe its just this extreme luck of mine: have anyone of you guys actually see a significant body of smugly Arch users put it in your face, because I havent seen one but i’ve seen this meme idea for the nth times now. Hiw is this any different from “I use Ubuntu btw”?
I’ve never seen anyone being smug about their distro, but I’ve also never seen a comment where somebody have said they use Ubuntu. Arch on the other hand is everywhere, meme or no meme.
Genuinely, I have only seen mentioning of Arch as the distro they use because they mentioned something arch-specific (e.g pacman) or its actually important to make a distinction (package name), and usually they anticipate the meme anyways because its the butt of the joke now. For me at least it isnt hard to find an equivalent ubuntu/fedora/suse comment, and I think its fine! But why are we fighting this ghost of “Arch is only for edgy guys that want to break their system and be smug about it on the Internet”?
Could also be im tired of seeing this meme everyday now… Linux has a lot more jokes than this guys… Just dig Linus Torvalds’ mailing list for some ideas
Exactly. I mean I installed it once upon a time on my server because it was well supported and most hardware I had just worked. I cut my teeth on Linux by using Ubuntu, so I’m familiar with where I’m going to have trouble and how to troubleshoot it if I do. I can tear down and setup a new Ubuntu server over a weekend if I wanted to and transfer all my stuff, but not if I had to switch distros. I could do it, but I’d rather not spend the extra time. Maybe I’m lazy, but I’m no noob. At this point for me, hopping distros is just a matter of the devil you know vs. the devil you don’t. I’ve got more important things to DO with my machine and life than spend it fucking with and constantly breaking/fixing my setup. So, from what I’ve heard about it, Arch is everything that is holding back Linux on the desktop and everything I don’t want in an OS unless I’m getting paid by the hour.
The first Linux distro I ever tried was a copy of Turbolinux 6 I got from a Hamfest (I wasn’t successful in installing it), I used Gentoo in college [embarrassingly large number redacted] years ago (along with Debian and OS X on other computers), and I tend to prefer Debian most of the time.
I didn’t try Ubuntu until I’d already been using Linux for more than a decade, and the only reason it ended up on my main machine is simply that Debian didn’t 100% “just work” on my hardware and I couldn’t be bothered even trying to troubleshoot it, so I picked the next closest thing.
Tried arch today. Didn’t even get to installing it on the partition. Pacman just won’t sync extra repo. No chance of letting reflector do it’s thing. Nobody seemed to have the exact same problem before. Mostly found half- or unanswered threads from before 1876. Gave up after an hour and installed Ubuntu with about 2.5 clicks.
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