I grew so tired of the joke comments that didn't add anything to the conversation. The amount of garbage comments I'd have to wade through from people thinking they're funny with the same joke that's been post a million times just gave me a headache.
And without fucking fail, people would reply acting like it was the funniest fucking thing they've read in their lives. Like, cunt, it's one of the most overused jokes on the internet, how are you only just now seeing it?
Generally I agree, but I usually found it was the opposite way from OP's meme. The top comment was the tired regurgitated joke, and the followup comments, or the second or third top comment, were the real discussion.
It varies, but you're both right. Depends on the sub, depends on the post. In terms of the userface here on kbin, what I see lacking is a way to make a chain disappear because that mini-thread doesn't interest me. Old.reddit would let you collapse a particular comment thread, or make all child comments hidden unless called for.
-first post. Fuck you spez, for ruining reddit for me because you wanted to fuck the apps that built your site, and 5% of your users still enjoy.
I think that's the real crux of the matter: you can't stop it from happening, and how viral things go viral is simply beyond your control, if your interests do not lie with the majority, but there should be a way around it, accessible to the masses (like a userscript is nice but I'm saying it should be part of the base package, as it likely will be, given time), for more people to adopt this as a true alternative.
On Reddit there are so many replies one could make to this. Like "/so's your mother" (yeah, they don't actually have to make sense - in fact it helps if they don't!:-P). Aren't you glad we are here where we never have to hear about Reddit culture again? /s :-D (really though, trauma takes awhile to heal from, yeesh)
That was definitely a source of frustration for me too. It's really annoying when you're genuinely interested in a subject and all you have available is a bunch of people who obviously don't know anything about it or care to learn.
You're right. I don't miss that shit hole. Everybody has to be right or they have to one up every comment. People make mistakes, no need to be a dick about it.
You steadfastly refuse to upvote low-effort crap, and instead upvote comments and content that are either well-informed, detailed, full of effort, or insightful. (Insightful doesn't require length or effort - a short, punchy comment that cuts to the heart of the issue can be very insightful.) You do that even when you disagree; or at least withhold the downvote for things that are well thought out but that you personally disagree with.
Liberally downvote the "LOLmemeROFL" stuff. Except in subs where that's the point.
Enough people do that, and quality will rise to the top.
Google "The Cargo Cult of the Ennui Engine" for further reading.
Algorithms, assuming they exist in the fediverse, are included in the source code, which is [X]GPL (change the X for an L or an A) or any other free licence.
And karma has no value, assuming it exists too. In Lemmy there is no karma, and in Kbin, despite people saying there is, I didn't see it anywhere, so there isn't to me.
And the federation structure also has a good part in this equation. Maybe a specific instance for all those "social" elements.
Unfortunately, it probably isn't possible to. Unless, of course, everyone here (and I do mean everyone) is perfectly alright with the Fediverse never gaining mainstream popularity, the plain and inconvenient truth is that it's only a matter of time until Lemmy and Kbin are infected with the same kind of shit. This phenomenon predates Reddit, it predates 4chan, it predates Digg. Ask early Usenet members 30 years ago just how far back this issue goes.
But what if, instead of trying to prevent it entirely, we simply tried to slow it down as much as possible? Now, you're working with reality, not against it.
One idea I've always been in favor of has been the concept of installing limits: limited posts, limited replies, limited votes, etc. I don't know if this is a thing that could be rolled out on an instance-per-instance basis or that, even if it could be, if it would be as effective as a platform-wide initiative, but the appeal of setting limits is to introduce scarcity and thus more weight to a user's actions.
If you only have X number of possible actions per day, such as X number of posts, how might that affect your behavior? Would you still shitpost as often in every pun thread, upvote every repost, argue with every single troll? Probably not.
There are obviously some downsides to this as it might have a not insignificant effect on promoting genuinely good content and or punishing (downvoting to oblivion) objectively bad or offensive content -- and again, at best, you'd really just be delaying the inevitable as long as possible -- but I think it's worth investigating nevertheless.
I always wonder how many of these comments are just bots. Lately even the stuff on the front page is rechurned memes and stuff from early COVID days and people still upvote it. Boggles my mind
what about people intentionally trying to stifle conversations, just making impossible for meaningful thoughts to be expressed. at least that's the main effect of all the dumb spam and I wonder who might want that
Yea I knew it would be bad I had to quickly search for an image host that's just "upload and take the link" and just took the first one that came up basically, my bad.
Federated content aggregators haven't really reached a critical mass of users (yet).
Give it time and there'll be the insensible, the attempts at humour and all manner of low-effort comments headed this way.
Also, this being a memes magazine, I'd expect this place to get them a little sooner than more serious places. Or at least they might be tolerated a little more.
A little low-effort commentary might even be beneficial. And if not, well there's always the "reduce" arrow.
(Between the lines: It would be nice to be able to try to be funny occasionally, bad idea / bad jokes or not.)
I don’t think it’s all that egregious on joke communities, it was mostly really frustrating when comments—especially top level ones!!—were jokes/memes on serious discussion topics or something that just needed an answer.
Also replying to @palordrolap. Why not encouraging users to create constructive discussions through the magazine/community rules? I mean, every magazine/community needs a set of rules, some can be more strict and some can be more relaxed.
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