BentiGorlich,
@BentiGorlich@gehirneimer.de avatar

Sadly exactly that is the reason that windows is just a bunch of spaghetti code XD

TerabyteRex,

microsoft has tried to move everyone to a modern framework only. when they successfully have a win32/x86 emulator runnong smoothly they will gut a lot

ThesePaycheckAvenging,

And yet, Linux tools are even older and the kernel better written than either Windows or OSX.

norapink,
norapink avatar

Before flatpak Linux backwards compatibility was rough.

PaintedSnail,

Most of which have to be recompiled to support newer libraries when the older libraries aren't supported anymore. There's a reason why package managers have to deal with dependency issues.

StudioLE,

Do you have a source for the second half of your statement?

TimeSquirrel,
TimeSquirrel avatar

The tools may be decades old, but change one function in one library among hundreds and you're most likely going to end up recompiling a lot of shit. It was kind of like a house of cards before flatpack. Being a distro maintainer must be a nightmare. You gotta tweak other people's software to play nice with your distro while not deviating too much and keeping up with upstream updates.

jannis,

I tried to install Civilization 2 from a CD on Windows 10. It didn't work.

ikantolol,
ikantolol avatar

there's workaround but it's a pain in the ass... https://www.myabandonware.com/game/sid-meier-s-civilization-ii-453

basically

  1. the game use old .bin disk file, you must convert it to .iso
  2. mount the .iso
  3. run the setup.exe to install Civilization II
massive_bereavement,
massive_bereavement avatar

I'm unsure if this is doable with Windows, but when using wine there's a simple workaround for this:
https://appdb.winehq.org/objectManager.php?sClass=version&iId=4849

Mostly it boils down to copy the whole civ2 directory as-is.

AlexTheLost,

Oooh, I'm gonna have to try this later (I wish Kbin had a save button like lemmy does)

some_guy,
some_guy avatar

i emulated it on macos just fine :)

okawari,
okawari avatar

This has been a great boon to me. Whenever Apple upgrades Mac OS, I check my regional equivalent to craigslist for cheap music gear that stops working. Has worked twice for me. I got a really nice 24 channel audio interface for 20 bucks.

Gerryflap,

Not my experience. I've had multiple old games and an old printer that just straight up didn't work under Windows. On Linux however (using wine for the windows exe's) it usually does run. Sometimes it does require some googling, but there's usually someone who tried it before.

Decr,

Shouldnt window's compatibility mode solve most of those?

eltimablo,

Should, yes, but I find it often doesn't.

flambonkscious,

Yeah, it's a real hit and miss affair, that thing...

squaresinger, (edited )

Games are actually the hardcore compatibility test. They are much less compatible than the average piece of software. That's due to them using much more of the hardware/low-level-APIs of the OS, but also due to DRM and Anti-Cheat-Software (where applicable).

And printers are also (for some reason) super difficult. Probably because they are cheap, planned-obsolescence pieses of crap hardware, which are chock-full of DRM.

flambonkscious,

The spooler spanning userland a d kernel address space was never going to go well, either.

To be fair, it went a lot worse than people thought, but that's probably because printers were cheap to produce and beancounters find programmers expensive

squaresinger,

The last point is probably the biggest issue. Even if for some reason a prodigy embedded dev ended up working on super cheap HP printers, they wouldn't get the time and budget to actually push the drivers/software/firmware past a barely working state.

And if there is more budget to burn, it will be allocated to DRM measures like blocking 3rd party ink.

AnonTwo,

My dosbox and multiple attempts to build VMs of windows 3.1 say this isn't completely true

MudMan,
MudMan avatar

Man, I hate to break it to you, but the Windows version from 25 years ago is... Windows 98.

I know, I know. I'm so sorry. I felt like that when I noticed, too.

Erikjuh,
Erikjuh avatar

Wait, that can't be true... Oh crap it is. I feel extra old now.

victron,
victron avatar

Buddy. Buddy, please shut the hell up :')

AdverbNounNumber,
marcos,

Win98 software also do not work reliably on modern Windows. Microsoft abandoned that kind of compatibility a while ago for a mix of both good and bad reasons.

You will have better odds of running it on ReactOS or Linux.

AlexTheLost,

What did I ever do to you for you to hurt me in this way?

SternburgExport,

Yeah it sure can install these programs but thei'll either run like dogshit or not at all.

gun,
@gun@lemmy.ml avatar

In my experience, Windows can install a 25 year old program, but it won’t work

tarneo,

More like “Installing… Do you want avast or X or Y installed along with it?” No thanks, I very much prefer Linux package managers.

ReakDuck,

What a fuckin lie. Can’t play some Windows 7 games on Windows 10 or above but on Linux it works.

OsrsNeedsF2P,

I will always remember Battle For Middle Earth working first try on Linux after spending hours fighting with it on Windows

fossilesque,
@fossilesque@mander.xyz avatar

That game is a classic.

ghariksforge,

25 year old Windows programs work better in Linux with wine than in Windows 🤣

klangcola,

Wine is the most stable ABI on Linux 😂

KuudereEnthusiast,

it got so extreme i installed wine on wsl to run a few old programs because windows 11 dropped support for some libraries

StarkillerX42,

That’s absolutely hilarious and I don’t doubt it for a second.

riodoro1,

Oh look, OP never used a Mac but he’s hating on it.

awake,

Maybe so, but all that spaghetti code to ensure the backwards compatibility comes at a cost of endless Windows jank.

I use both Windows and Mac machines for my audio work and while everything is consistently just 'plug and play' on my Mac, on the PC side I'm constantly fighting a losing battle with Windows ASIO audio driver issues, multi-monitor issues, Microsoft constantly asking me to make an account every 3 days...

For gaming, I love Windows. Still yet to find anything it does better and with less fuss than MacOS in a work environment though.

CrownCrafter,
@CrownCrafter@lemmy.ml avatar

Windows is def better than Mac for backwards compatibility, but nah dude it's not even close to perfect. Ive had better luck using wine for old windows programs

Bandicoot_Academic,

I hear a lot about Windows backwards compatibilyty, but i don't think it has ever actualy worked for me. Every time i tried to install a program meant for anything older then win7/win10 i get some cryptic error and end up using a VM.

Psymonkee,
@Psymonkee@lemmy.world avatar

Maybe comeback when you can get Tripeaks from the BOWEP pack working on modern systems 😂

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