I can’t really imagine being close enough to any screen where I need more than 1080p. I’m sitting across the room, not pressing my face against the glass.
My takeaway from this comment section is that smart TVs are straight from hell and should be treated as such. It is very important, that you get a TV BEFORE smart TVs were a thing.
That’s what I did too. It has no connection and I don’t use any of the smart TV features. Instead I have my own box I’m using. I never felt this stupid.
I legit just had an Olevia branded 37 inch TV I’ve had since 2007 bite the dust finally. 16 years was a hell of a run, It cost me $600 at the time, which cost me roughly $37.50 per year of use. RCA ports went out partially ages ago but the HDMI just kept ticking. It was an lcd and I never had a single pixel die out on me. Played everything from GameCube-Wii-Switch ,PS2-4, OGxbox-360-XboxOne and ran a chromecast for the last 3-4 constantly. Felt like I was putting a dog out to pasture. Loved that bad boy.
I have a 4K 120hz OLED TV. The difference is quite drastic compared to my old 1080p LED. It’s certainly sharper, and probably the practical limit. I’ve also seen 8K, and, meh. I don’t even care if it’s noticable, it’s just too expensive to be worthwhile. We should just push more frames and lower latency for now, or, the Gods forbid, optimise games properly.
Too expensive both in terms of the price, and the massive amount of storage needed for 8k video. I don’t really think 8k is ever going to be the dominant format. There’s not really much point in just increasing resolution for miniscule gains that are almost certainly not noticeable on anything but a massive display. Streaming services are going to balk at 8k content.
I’ve heard recently that there’s “cheap OLED” and “expensive OLED.” Which one did you go for? I’ve got a 75" 4k OLED for $400 and it’s definitely super dark. I can’t even watch some movies during the day if they’re too dark. The expensive ones are supposed to be a lot better.
I’ve got an older Sony bravia A9G and I’ve seen reviews complaining that it’s too dim but I’ve had no issues. I think some people just have really poorly thought out tv placement, or overly bright rooms. Also just close the curtains if the movie is dark…
If you want to watch tv outside in direct sunlight you’ll need to follow this guide to build a custom super bright tv: youtu.be/WlFVPnGEb8o
Ehhhh, I think 1080p is definitely serviceable, it’s even good enough for most things. However, I think 1440p and 4k are both a pretty noticeable improvement for stuff like gaming. I can’t go back to 1080p after using my 3440x1440 monitor.
The last TV I owned was an old CRT that was built in the 70s. I repaired it, and connected the NES and eventually the SNES to it. Haven’t had a need for a TV ever since I went to university, joined IT, and gained a steady supply of second hand monitors.
If we’re comparing the latest tech then I’d like to be playing the most recent gen games. GTA V feels as old as San Andreas, in a few years my phone should be running it fine.
It doesn’t matter what refresh rate it says on the box. It depends on the hardware and firmwar inside. I’ve seen good 60hz tvs and I’ve seen them with blurry motion that is borderline unwatchable. There’s some really cheap tvs out there now and there’s a reason they’re so cheap.
Whatever the resolution of ‘real life’, what matters is at what point our little eyes and brains no longer can perceive a difference.
In average scenery, the general consensus is about 60 pixels per degree of vision. If you have something a bit more synthetic, like a white dot in empty space, then that sort of specific small high contrast would take maybe 200 pixels per degree to ensure that the white dot is appropriately equally visible in the display versus directly seeing. A 75" display 2 meters out at 4k is about 85 pixels per degree. This is comfortable enough for display.
Similar story with ‘frames per second’. Move something back and forth really fast and you’ll see a blurry smear of the object rather than observing it’s discrete movement. So if you accurately match the blurring you will naturally see and do low persistence backlight/display, you’ll get away with probably something like 60 FPS. If you are stuck with discrete representations and will unable to blur or turn off between meaningful frames, you might have to go a bit further up, to like 120 or 144 FPS.
Both are practically infinite, or well, the question doesn’t really make sense.
Reality isn’t rasterized, so there’s no resolution. You just have light waves bouncing off of things and into your eyes. They can hit at all kinds of angles and positions, and your brain will interpret different impact frequency distributions as some color or brightness you see in a certain position.
And you don’t have a shutter in your eyes or something else that would isolate individual frames. Light waves just arrive whenever they do and your brain updates its interpreted image continuously.
So, in principle, you can increase the resolution and display rate of a screen to infinity and you’d still perceive it differently (even if it’s not noticeable enough to point it out).
The cost just goes up ever more and the returns diminish, so the question rather has to be, whether it’s worth your money (and whether you want to sink that much money into entertainment in the first place).
The question isn’t how high the resolution of reality is, but how well we can process it is. There is an upper limit to visual acuity, but I’d have to calculate what an arc-minute at 6 meters would be and I’m too lazy right now. Regarding fps, some people can notice artefacts up to 800hz, but I’d think going with 120hz would be ok. Remember, you’ll have to generate stereoscopic output.
Has anyone else here never actually bought a TV? I’ve been given 3 perfectly good TVs that relatives were gonna throw out when they upgraded to smart TVs. I love my dumb, free TVs. They do exactly what I need them to and nothing more. I’m going to be really sad when they kick the bucket.
Yes, people like me buy TVs. I’m the guy who keeps giving away perfectly good TVs to other people because I’ve bought a new one and don’t want to store the old one. I’ve given away 2 smart TVs so far, though I’m not sure what I’ll do with my current one when I inevitably upgrade.
I’ve bought my TVs because all my relatives are the same as us. My mom finally tossed an old CRT TV a couple of years ago because it started having issues displaying colours correctly.
I was a given free, very decent, dumb tv and upgraded it to a smart tv with a $5 steam link and ran a cat 6 cable to it from my router. Best $5 ever. Have no intention of buying a new one. If I ever do, I will try my hardest to make sure if it’s a dumb one. I know they sell “commercial displays” that are basically a tv with no thrid party apps or a way to install them.
I used my family’s first HDTV from 2008 up until last year, when my family got me a 55" 4k TV for like $250. Not gonna lie, it’s pretty nice having so much screen, but I’m never getting rid of the ol’ Sanyo.
The performance difference between 1080p and 720p on my computer makes me really question if 4k is worth it. My computer isn’t very good because it has an APU and it’s actually shocking what will run on it at low res. If I had a GPU that could run 4k I’d just use 1080p and have 120fps all the time.
There’s a treadmill effect when it comes to higher resolutions
You don’t mind the resolution you’re used to. When you upgrade the higher resolution will be nicer but then you’ll get used to it again and it doesn’t really improve the experience
The reason to upgrade to a higher resolution is because you want bigger screens
If you want a TV for a monitor, for instance, you’ll want 4k because you’re close enough that you’ll be and to SEE the pixels otherwise.
You don’t mind the resolution you’re used to. When you upgrade the higher resolution will be nicer but then you’ll get used to it again and it doesn’t really improve the experience
This is sort of how I feel about 3D movies and why I never go to them. After about 20 minutes, I mostly stop noticing the 3D.
As long as don’t know that there is anything better you will love 1080p. Once you have seen 2k you don’t want to switch back. Especially on bigger screens.
On the TV I like 1080p still. I remember the old CRT TVs with just bad resolution. In comparison 1080 is a dream.
However if the video is that high in quality you will like 4k on a big TV even more. But if the movie is only 720p (like most DVDs or streaming Services) then 4k is worse than 1080p you need some upscaling in order to have a clear image now.
I don’t play games on my TV but I have a really old 1080p one with a native Plex and YouTube apps with no nonsense. I have seen the ads and other stupid bullshit modern tvs come with, I’m going to be fixing this TV up until my dying breath.
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