how can something be so courageous and yet so true

Edit: Jesus Christ, people. If you buy a $150 Thinkpad made by slave labor instead of a $1,200 MacBook made by slave labor, you’re still supporting a capitalist economy based on slave labor. We all do. We have no choice. The number of smug liberals in the comments saying “well I buy a cheap used laptop” or “well I buy coffee beans and make my own coffee” are completely missing the fucking point.

Don’t tell yourself your consumption is moral. All of us make unethical choices every day because there is no ethical consumption under capitalism. Accept your shame and guilt and let it drive you to do better.

fishos,
@fishos@lemmy.world avatar

In response to your edit, there’s a difference between being forced to buy products that employ slave labor and choosing to buy something that is extremely overpriced because of capitalism. Yes you need to live within the system, but that doesn’t mean you buy the most expensive and wasteful version and then claim “well I had no choice!”. You have choices. You’re just being willfully ignorant of them and shifting the blame to someone else. Heaven forbid you become part of the solution and not just another addition to the problem.

CancerMancer,

Seeing so many responses like this to the edit makes me happy. This is the intellectually consistent position imo: if you’re going to take the position that “this is the world we live in” (which is valid) then you must also accept that there are degrees of consumption and actively choosing one of the worst ones without a strong rationale is less moral.

Pyr_Pressure,

It’s a little telling though that they left the apple logo as the only untouched portion of the lid lol.

If you really hated capitalism but were forced to participate, at least the first sticker you put on the laptop would cover the company name/logo.

SuddenDownpour,

If everyone is going to be paid fairly for their labor, plenty of electronics are going to dramatically rise in price, as they rely in materials that are often obtained through people working in miserable conditions, sometimes reaching extremes such as child slavery.

I for one am willing to pay more if that means we fight against the abuse generated by this system.

CancerMancer,

On the other hand producing a smaller variety of modular devices means you need less people overall supporting the same level of industry. Making designs open source and parts available means devices can be made to last longer than they previously did, requiring less manufacturing in the long-term. While I’m not sure where the equilibrium between this and other factors comes down, it ultimately leads to better working conditions and better devices so I’ll take it.

okasen,

So a perspective I haven’t seen here yet: in many places, Starbucks is the only suitable third space left. I.e. place that is not work/school or home. I have non-Starbucks cafes nearby, but due to astronomical and increasing rent for all the independent cafes in walking distance, they are in smaller buildings and they can’t afford to have people sitting for hours on laptops using the WiFi/talking to friends/reading a book. I still support my local cafes for food and coffee, or really short meetings with folks, but if I need to get out of the house and spend time in public where I’m not obligated to speedrun my coffee, Starbucks is The Choice.

And that’s why i might be inside of a Starbucks while hating capitalism. Because capitalism made Starbucks the only corporation able to afford proper cafe space.

(There is a library nearby, yes, but not with good space for sitting down and working on a laptop. And even having THAT Is a massive privilege)

(Also I actually do have a MacBook that I do my personal stuff on, because of various bits of software i need that are OS specific, which is annoying as heck but i got used to my work mac anyways and then found a nice one used… so yeah.)

systemglitch,

Let me know when someone dies without Starbucks. I have all life, so take your time.

Resonosity, (edited )

I love it when people use the absolute-unethical capitalism comment when we do have initiatives out in the world that are progressing to indeed bring better conditions to workers or help solve other problems.

See the following, in no particular order; also note that most of this is with reference to textiles, but some overlap with other sectors:

  • United Nations (aka Global Compact, Global Compact on Migration, Global Compact on Refugees)
  • OEKO-TEX
  • The Textile Exchange
  • Forest Stewardship Council
  • Science Based Targets Initiative
  • Global Standard (aka GOTS)
  • International Accreditation Forum (aka ISO)
  • SEDEX (aka SMETA)
  • PETA
  • Good Jobs First
  • Fairtrade Labelling Organization International (aka FairTrade)
  • B Lab
  • Bluesign Technologies
  • Social Accountability International
  • Climate Neutral
  • amfori (aka BSCI)
  • Worldwide Responsible Accredited Production (aka WRAP)
  • 1% For The Planet
  • Cradle to Cradle Products Innovation Institute
  • Sustainable Apparel Coalition
  • Stichting ZHDC Foundation
  • Fair Wear Foundation
  • Global Green USA
  • Global Reporting Initiative (aka GRI) via Corporate Register
  • Regenerative Organic Alliance (aka ROC)
  • Better Cotton Initiative (aka BCI)
  • CELC Developpement (aka European Flax™, Masters of Linen™ Certified)
  • Belgian Flax & Linen Association (aka Belgian Linen™ Certified)
  • European Union (aka Ecolabel Certified)
  • United States of America (aka USDA Organic)
  • American Apparel and Footwear Association
  • Canopy Planet
  • Ecological and Toxicological Association of Dyes and Organic Pigments Manufacturers (aka ETAD)
  • Better Work aka International Labor Organization aka United Nations / International Finance, Corporation aka World Bank Group
  • Open Supply Hub
  • TÜV AUSTRIA
  • International Association of Better Business Bureau
  • Business & Human Rights Resource Centre
  • U.S. Green Building Council (aka USGBC)
  • CSP Worldwide (auditor)
  • Ecovadis (auditor)
  • MSCI (auditor)
  • Sustainalytics (auditor)

I’m sure there are plenty of others out there, but I think at least for the textile sector, there is a consorted effort towards a better economy for workers, users, and the planet. See also Fairphone and their FarTrade Gold program, as well as Framework laptops.

KeenFlame,

The “have no choice” argument is extremely thin nowadays and letting it fly is just leaking ignorance or at times hipocricy. Anyone living in the first world has an option to help and just want to blame the elite that are the offender. The assailants that enjoy the disparity in the world obviously aren’t going to do anything about it so it is just convenient whine

KyuubiNoKitsune,

Imagine owning a laptop that you can’t replace ram or the ssd of.

Kage520,

What’s nice about apple is that they use high enough quality components that it lasts awhile. I’m the kind of guy to drive a Honda until it’s just about dead before buying another. I bought my MacBook pro in I think 2011 (maybe 2013, I can’t remember). It still runs fine. The battery is not worth much, maybe 30 minutes. But I have no real reason to replace it. Everything is fine. Compared to when I had cheap laptops before, I think I went through 3 in a span of 6 years.

I’m guessing the key here is getting a laptop with high quality components that isn’t apple, but I don’t know which ones are actually good, and which are just artificially expensive laptops. Reviews don’t help too much either because so many are fake, and also that I don’t think many people keep their laptops 10+ years to compare longevity. I will probably go buy another apple when mine finally dies.

KyuubiNoKitsune,

The nerds seem to love ThinkPads

Cqrd,

Imagine owning a laptop that’s too bulky to be comfortable anywhere but a desk

maynarkh,

One of the places I worked had a nice little Thinkpad that was light AF and even had a touchscreen. You could still replace the SSD and RAM without tools. It also was durable as hell.

There is no reason for parts in an Apple computer to be soldered other than planned obsolescence and making it impossible to repair.

Linkerbaan,
@Linkerbaan@lemmy.world avatar

The SSD no, but soldering RAM and sharing it between GPU and CPU can actually speed up performance.

Modularity comes at a cost. There’s a reason the modular smartphone never worked.

Cqrd,

I bet it also cost significantly more than a MacBook Air too, but my comment wasn’t even in defense of Apple. It was a general statement until this point.

FlyingSquid,
@FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

And I would wager that the vast majority of people have no idea how to upgrade RAM or change an SSD, and many would be afraid to even attempt it, so weight is of much bigger importance to them.

KyuubiNoKitsune,

Computer repair stores exist, but I suspect Apple users wouldn’t know this, as all Apple has are sales people telling you to buy a new one or spend the price of a new one to get whatever fixed or upgraded (which isn’t actually an option).

FlyingSquid,
@FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

Why would someone pay to repair a computer they don’t think is broken? Just because you understand what more ram and a bigger drive mean doesn’t mean the average person does.

KyuubiNoKitsune,

And who’s fault is that? Companies who make things that can’t be upgraded or repaired, so people don’t know it’s an option.

FlyingSquid,
@FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

Do people not know or is having something lightweight more important to them?

Why do you care so much what other people choose to spend their money on?

KyuubiNoKitsune,

I don’t care, but those attitudes and habits, and the bullshit you’re defending has a real effect on something I do care about. The environment. But you do you.

globalewaste.org

reuters.com/…/world-losing-battle-against-electro…

FlyingSquid, (edited )
@FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

And replacing old RAM and old drives wouldn’t also create a lot of waste?

Exactly what percentage of the waste generated today is Macbooks?

KyuubiNoKitsune,

It would reduce the amount of waste greatly, so would repairable products. And I guess enough of it is Apple for them to be a trillion dollar business.

You ride that apple d hard, damn.

FlyingSquid,
@FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

I’m sure you think insulting me will make me a huge fan of Apple rather than someone who understands why people buy them, but I’m afraid it won’t work. Sorry. You can’t wish someone into who you want them to be.

KyuubiNoKitsune,

That… Made no sense. But shirking personal responsibility to be conscious of the effects of your product choices due to convenience seems to be pretty common.

Like I said, you do you.

I make more educated choices where I can because I actually care about the damage these things do and I’d prefer not to live in a rubbish dump.

FlyingSquid,
@FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

No, what makes no sense is you insulting me for being some big champion of Apple when I’m not.

KyuubiNoKitsune,

You keep defending them, the modern pioneer of planned obsolescence, the company that deliberately works to make their products unrepairable. I’m amazed they didn’t invent the disposable vape.

FlyingSquid,
@FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

Nope, I keep explaining why people are buying their products. It’s not my fault you are taking my explanation of what other people do personally enough to make up lies about me and use them as insults.

KyuubiNoKitsune,

👍🏼 I’m going to go enjoy my Sunday now.

KyuubiNoKitsune,

Ultralight laptops exist outside of Apple, you know that right?

Cqrd,

And you also can’t usually replace their ram or SSD. Wild how I didn’t even mention Apple in my comment but apparently that’s the only laptop you think is light that you can’t replace the ram and SSD in.

KyuubiNoKitsune,

Then find one that does. “most of them” isn’t an excuse.

CancerMancer,

too bulky

It’s often hard to judge the level of privilege someone has but today you’ve made it real easy.

Cqrd,

Go fuck yourself with that shit. There’s plenty of laptops that aren’t bulky and aren’t Apple products, but not that many that aren’t bulky, aren’t Apple products, have self-replaceable parts, and are affordable.

dmalteseknight,
@dmalteseknight@programming.dev avatar

Well an argument against Apple products specifically is that they promote anti consumer trends.

Proprietary cables, unrepairable devices, having an ecosystem that is hostile to third party devices, popularising things like sealed batteries or removal of headphone jacks.

Apple actively is making the tech world worse imo.

RememberTheApollo_,

Yeah, BS. If you choose to buy an apple product, new or used, you are still supporting capitalism even if in name only. The product is almost synonymous with pursuing a social cache rather than just useful and mundane functionality.

Checkplus,

That sounds like a hard position to defend. I would love to hear what car you have.

RememberTheApollo_,

A decade + old Honda bought used with 100k+ miles on it. There’s no social cache with that old car.

Checkplus, (edited )

You did say new or used isn’t a deciding factor. Correct me if I’m wrong, butIt really sounded like you didn’t care how old the laptop was. A car is one of the biggest status symbols in modern society and I’d argue that my airpods on the bus laugh at your CR-V on the freeway thinking you’re the better socialist. (Sarcasm by the way, my real position is that judging people by their possessions is the real capitalist kool-aid and you’re drinking it just as much by buying into the Idea that certain brands put you on “the other team”. Also I’m the worst socialist, I can’t defend my consumerism in any area except transportation)

RememberTheApollo_,

You’ve removed choice from the discussion when that was the point I was trying to make. The meme specified someone choosing expensive cache items and slapping an AnCap sticker on it, the point being some form of hypocrisy. My point is one has a choice to buy a trendy expensive item or a cheaper just as functional item, used or new is irrelevant. My judgment is based on what we’re discussing in this meme with the context it was presented, and it’s disingenuous for you to arbitrarily remove that context of that discussion and accuse me of drinking kool aid.

Checkplus,

That’s not an AnCap (anarcho-capitalism) sticker it’s an anti-capitalisim sticker, but it’s obvious you knew that and just mixed up the acronyms so forgive me for being pedantic but it is important for the point I wanted to make. I don’t want you to think I forgot the context of the meme, but you shouldn’t forget the context of your comment. You have said directly that any apple product, new or used, with an anti-capitalist sticker on it would indicate hypocrisy by the owner. I said that would be a hard position to defend, and then got you to say that your car isn’t an example of hypocrisy using the fact that it’s used as support. I think that’s a solid hit on my point that your argument is difficult to defend because for some reason you get that defense and she doesn’t

On the totally separate personal values-driven argument in the context of the meme, anti-capitalist doesn’t mean “responsible and frugal capitalism”. It means anti-capitalism, and while sure, there’s probably some hypocrisy there, the idea that the brand you pick says something about you is absolutely not one of the points they as a movement are making. For hypocrisy you have to show them saying one thing and doing a contrary one. To say that certain specific brands aren’t acceptable for people against capitalism is a misunderstand of anti-capitalisim. They all get nationalized and you’re still allowed to have cool shit in Star Trek.

Cowbee,

If you buy any product, you are supporting Capitalism. There’s very few ways to not support Capitalism at all, especially with regards to tech.

KillingTimeItself,

that would be me with my $150 kitted out ebay special thinkpad (ignore that i own four of them, they’re spare parts and i can gift them to people. They’re good laptops) somewhere, in a place, i don’t like business establishments.

FlyingSquid,
@FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

Got a refurbished $200 Thinkpad T460 on eBay. It’s in really good condition. I installed Mint on it and it works great.

KillingTimeItself,

i did a display swap on my w520 last night, it’s running a 1080p display now. Paired with my t520 with a 1366 display i’ve got a really good combination of mobile productivity machines. One for writing, one for work.

FlyingSquid,
@FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

That is way beyond my abilities. I wish I knew enough to swap the speakers. They’re shit.

KillingTimeItself,

it’s all pretty easy stuff. Especially with the older modules. You just need to be somewhat careful and very organized lol. I’m not actually sure if there is a speaker swap you can do on these tbh. That would be fairly easy to do though.

As for the display swap, on the xx20 series you just remove the bottom plate, the keyboard, and then the top bezel, and then you can remove the screws that mount the display (the ones in the back) unroute all the wiring, and disconnect any connectors, and then do the same on another unit, and the reverse it. Twice. And boom, display swap. On the newer models i imagine it’s harder to do though. Particularly the ones where the keyboard isn’t removable from the top side.

FlyingSquid, (edited )
@FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

unroute all the wiring

And that’s where I would fuck it up. Or wiring it back up again rather.

Edit: Looks like it can be done but fuck if I’m going to try.

www.ifixit.com/Guide/…/143405

KillingTimeItself,

yeah that can be a little rough, take a picture beforehand if you really care. That’ll help. The older models are a little overwhelming with the amount of wires but entirely manageable.

FlyingSquid,
@FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

I edited my post above. Looks like you can replace the speakers, but it’s a lot more work and a lot more chance of fucking up than I’m willing to chance. Maybe I’ll just get a bluetooth speaker.

KillingTimeItself,

if you ever have the money to spare, and want to fuck around, you can always buy another cheap thinkpad that doesn’t work, and give it a shot, or buy a cheap working one that you don’t particularly care for. There are options.

Oh, and LOTS of information online.

FlyingSquid,
@FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

It might be fun to tinker with someday, but for now, I found a $10 bluetooth speaker that will work. Thanks though!

KillingTimeItself,

thats definitely a valid solution.

Duamerthrax,

I use a 300usd MacBook pro from 2013 that I put Linux Mint on. It looks exactly the same as a 2024 MacBook Pro.

JargonWagon,

Same. I got mine as a handmedown from a sibling. Works great with Linux Mint!

FlyingSquid,
@FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

I read that Linux is a huge pain in the ass to put on a Macbook. Is it not?

Duamerthrax,

Depends on the model and distro. First time I did it was when I grabbed a Mint usb installer when I meant to grab a Mojave one for a 2012 Macbook Pro. I had to install wifi drivers with the ethernet plugged in. The 2013 one with Mint 21 worked without any extra effort.

FlyingSquid,
@FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

Maybe it’s just the older Macbooks that have an issue with difficult installs. Or maybe Mint fixed whatever the problem was. Or this is just my bad memory again.

borari,
@borari@sh.itjust.works avatar

It’s not, no. Even the new Apple Silicon chips would just required you to install an ARM build of whatever distro you want.

FlyingSquid,
@FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

Good to know for possible future reference. Thanks.

GnomeKat,
@GnomeKat@lemmy.blahaj.zone avatar

Your not allowed to have things if you don’t support capitalism, you must live like a preindustrial peasant or else you are a hypocrite. /s

Really a fucken mac and a cup of coffee is trivial compared to billionaires and their private jets and mega yachts.

1200$ isn’t even that much for a luxury item jeez and its not even really a luxury item. For an absolute fuck load of jobs, as well as online billing and banking and a whole host of other crap its 100% a requirement to own your own laptop. Yes it would be great if that wasn’t necessary, hence the anti capitalism, but individuals fucking themselves over by trying to pointlessly abstain from participating is not going to solve things.

I don’t drive, I don’t own a car, I fucking hate cars, but I don’t shit on people who have one because I understand its necessary for them. And even with me trying to abstain I still end up dependent on cars a lot and in a lot of ways it fucking makes my life more difficult. I am fucking mad at the systems that made that a requirement not at the people who are just trying to survive in the system. Its not magic how we ended up here, people in power made choices.

Thats what’s so annoying about these lines of reasoning is you get accused of hypocrisy if you don’t intentionally make your life shit

KillingTimeItself,

1200$ isn’t even that much for a luxury item jeez and its not even really a luxury item. For an absolute fuck load of jobs, as well as online billing and banking and a whole host of other crap its 100% a requirement to own your own laptop.

hot take: maybe im a tech nerd and this is why, but i would feel genuinely bad if i spent more than like 300-500 dollars on a laptop.

Flax_vert,

Same

CancerMancer, (edited )

An Apple laptop is just a totally inappropriate amount of money spent on a laptop for the overwhelming majority of use cases.

If you really want to smash capitalism buy used gear and run Linux

Edit: OP’s edit about no ethical consumption is true in the strictest sense, but there are degrees of both consumption and morality and Apple is one of the worst companies on the planet with respect to both. Apple uses its money to very actively attack worthy causes like Right to Repair, throws their immense weight around to enforce monopolies, and just generally is an active detriment to society in the long-term.

Yes I know much of that doesn’t matter under a non-capitalist production and labour model but OP’s point is that this is the world we live in at the moment and that’s exactly what I’m commenting on: you can make things suck less by not supporting this garbage wherever possible. Better yet, actively support advocacy organizations like those backing Right to Repair.

KillingTimeItself,

even for the use cases where you would be doing productivity, because apple refuses to build them to do fuck all for some reason. Though with the m series macs, you can just pay an additional 500 dollars and get an actually usable amount of ram. It used to be a lot worse on the intel macs because apple didnt understand heat dissipation

If you want to smash capitalism in general, engage in the second hand market wherever possible, it’s your friend, it saves you money, it saves ewaste from the planet, and it prevents you from giving money to the big corpo.

casual_turtle_stew_enjoyer,

Both points sort of miss the mark, though the lower one moreso imo.

You don’t need and $7 coffee and you don’t need a $1200 laptop. You won’t die without either. They are conveniences, and relying upon or expecting them is consumerism, a social manipulation tool of capitalism. Nothing is stopping you from directly opposing consumerism through your actions-- you don’t need to buy their coffee, you don’t need to buy their laptops.

If you’re truly against late-stage capitalism, you should be exploring actions you are comfortable taking to disempower it, not complacently feed into it. Maybe make your own coffee, or quit the stuff. Maybe buy an old laptop and install FOSS software on it. Maybe just buy recently-last-gen parts second-hand and build exactly the computer you need for less money than you’d spend on something you only sort of like from a manufacturer whose monopolistic behaviors you disagree with.

All I’ve got to say in the end is that there are options, and doomer complacency is meaningless and counterproductive.

Cannacheques,

To be fair, no system is perfect. Allowing people to both disconnect and be better at least acknowledges that the society needs both an eye inside and an eye from outside in order to improve

gentooer,

Paying $7 for very shitty coffee is still a strange decision to me, but I understand

John_McMurray,

Pretending you forced to and comparing it to slavery is even stranger

maynarkh,

Different people like different shit. Live and let live.

RinseDrizzle,

Vaguely related… reminding me of my struggle as I research investing in new laptop.

Looking for something powerful enough for live DJ, live music production performance with groove box, keyboard, etc, ideally graphic design sufficient as well. Want ability to move my crafts to a buddy’s studio or a proper gig.

Big needs of course are robust processing power/ram, loads of storage ideal, battery life a big plus, quieter than gaming PC preferred, lots of ports a must, and goddammit I want it to last more than a few years before it declines sharply.

I really don’t want an Apple. Been there; done that; over it. College graphic design machine had a graphic card that crapped out extra early. Plenty of spots would recommend Apple. Haven’t gone too deep on Linux so no idea if software and live performance will work on that consistently and reliably. Generally use mostly Windows 10 these days.

If anyone has any insights or recommendations on a lappy that checks my boxes I am all ears and eager for discussion!

Liz,

Take a look at the Framework 16. You can add a graphics card and the whole laptop is designed to be upgradeable in the same way a desktop is. Basically you buy the laptop and then replace or upgrade parts as you need to, no more need to buy a whole new rig every few years.

RinseDrizzle,

oOo, don’t believe I’ve stumbled across that before! Mighty intriguing concept, I’ll give it a gander.

Cheers for the plug 🤙

KillingTimeItself,

now, i really only recommend this is if you dont mind spending a while getting yourself familiar with the lineup, and the used market, but i would recommend looking for a solid used thinkpad. I’m preferential to the t/w 420 or 520 series, you can get them in pretty decent condition for pretty cheap, though some of the newer ones are quite a bit more modern. They aren’t super flexible on ports, but they have a significant variety, as well as a number of integrated features. And of course docking stations, though im not sure if those disable on board ports or not.

the t480 does also have a really cool feature where it has two batteries, one internal, and one external, and you can swap the external one as needed, so you basically have infinite battery life lol. The newer ones are alright, they don’t adhere to the design language of the older thinkpads though.

The framework is a very solid bet if you want a no frills machine that’s modern though, can rep. They cost money though.

RinseDrizzle,

Big ups for the thoughtful write up! I’ll be sure to add that to my list as I dig in deeper.

I’m graciously able to say I’m finally, finally at a stage where I have a lil extra fun money to play with. No Daddy Warbucks, but we can actually think about toys I’ve had on the wish list for ages. For something that I’ll be using for gigs I’m absolutely able to see value investing in something that will help me hone my craft.

Certainly in no rush; I’d rather measure twice and purchase once. (Well maybe a bit of a rush lol that summer fomo will kick into high gear any minute now fuck me it’s basically April lol)

Appreciate you, have a great weekend! 🤙

KillingTimeItself,

yeah, i’ve only just recently gotten involved in older thinkpads, and they certainly live up the reputation. A lot of them even have some pretty unusual features, which is highly welcome. The t480 battery swapping for instance.

Personally im not too big on spending lots of money, i just hate spending obscene amounts of money on things where something cheaper and more interesting will do what i want. Though i dont mind spending money on things when the investment is clearly there either.

If i had the money to spend, and i was going to run the ever living hell out of one, i would definitely be buying a framework. Otherwise i’d probably buy an old thinkpad, they’re cheap due to the volumes of them that were sold to businesses.

Though it is also worth noting, a few OEMs now are doing similar things to framework, i know HP is, i want to say dell is? Dont quote me on it. But there are more things appearing in the market, that are bringing repair-ability back, which is good. Though im sure framework is still going to have a better community around it, especially if you like linux. That’s the other reason thinkpads are particularly popular, they’re out there, and lots of people have them, and lots of people use them. There’s tons of information on them, from thinkwiki, to the thinkpad community forum, and reddit of course.

I wish you luck in your adventures, and perhaps some fun as well. (maybe pick up an older thinkpad just for the hell of it, give you something to work on as a side project) oh and if you do get into thinkpads, and you want some knowledge on the t/w 520 and possibly 420 series, as well as some of the later models, feel free to hit me up, i have some pretty good resources under my belt.

RinseDrizzle,

Damn decent of you, cheers! 🍻.

I very well may take you up on that. Shouldn’t be too hard to justify a second new toy either 😂

KillingTimeItself,

well, you know where to find me if you decide as much. As a linux user it’s only right that i try indoctrinating people into the ways of the hardware and software shenanigans.

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