how can something be so courageous and yet so true

Edit: Jesus Christ, people. If you buy a $150 Thinkpad made by slave labor instead of a $1,200 MacBook made by slave labor, you’re still supporting a capitalist economy based on slave labor. We all do. We have no choice. The number of smug liberals in the comments saying “well I buy a cheap used laptop” or “well I buy coffee beans and make my own coffee” are completely missing the fucking point.

Don’t tell yourself your consumption is moral. All of us make unethical choices every day because there is no ethical consumption under capitalism. Accept your shame and guilt and let it drive you to do better.

ThuleanPerspective2,

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ThuleanPerspective2,

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sanpedropeddler,

Yes you truly need Starbucks and labtops to live

Deceptichum,
@Deceptichum@sh.itjust.works avatar

Generally most people need a computer these days, yes.

As for the Starbucks not my thing, but people also need sources of enjoyment and sometimes that can be from a sweet drink.

Life isn’t about only food and water.

PhlubbaDubba, (edited )

You don’t need a Mac though, in fact in most circumstances using a Mac actively makes performing computer necessary tasks harder than just using the local library computers.

Mac is the bougie flex of choosing to be less productive for the sake of brand clout.

FlatFootFox,
@FlatFootFox@lemmy.world avatar

What are you talking about? Macs are wildly popular dev machines.

PhlubbaDubba, (edited )

I’ve been in a dev environment and have literally seen nothing of the sort

Also, wildly popular doesn’t mean wildly effective, even if that was true

108,

When I did dev for middleware it was all on Mac’s

stankmut,

Everywhere I’ve worked for the last 8 years has used Macs for developers. One place I was at started with Windows and people jumped at the opportunity to switch to a Mac when they got the option.

jjjalljs,

Macs have been standard for my software development career for more than a decade, yes.

They have a lot of Unix stuff but are pretty standardized and widely supported.

Everyone uses docker, which isn’t super great on Mac.

SpaceNoodle, (edited )

I am a dev, and use a MacBook.

… to SSH into my GNU/Linux build machine

scytale,

You use a mac because of clout and a bougie flex.

I use a mac because I get it free as a hand-me-down from work every tech refresh.

We are not the same.

PhlubbaDubba,

I use a Thinkpad actually.

Montagge,

Why don’t you carve into clay tablets with reeds? You don’t need a bougie Thinkpad.

PhlubbaDubba, (edited )

Imagine being so offended on behalf of a shitty overpriced brand of computers used as bougie status symbols that you compare a different brand to clay tablets and reeds.

Montagge,

Completely blinded by hubris

Deceptichum,
@Deceptichum@sh.itjust.works avatar

You can use a Mac, and that’s fine too.

Not everyone is a Linux power user, get over yourself and your elitist computer ideology.

PhlubbaDubba,

I use a Thinkpad with Windows because it’s cheaper and works better

If I want to use Linux I set up a VM for it to use for dev and IT busnasty

Deceptichum,
@Deceptichum@sh.itjust.works avatar

Or use what you have.

A Mac works just as well as windows, there is no “better”, only one’s preference.

Seriously get over yourself, instead of attacking such a minor thing as the brand of computer being used, focus your outrage on the system that treats the world like shit.

PhlubbaDubba,

See you might have had a point there if Macs weren’t literally proven to be a shittier alternative.

Security classes don’t even teach about Maca because the only security advice worth giving to Mac users is “switch to Windows or Linux, it’s cheaper than anything that could be done to make this thing even remotely secure.”

stankmut,

This reads like something out of the comment section for a “I’m a Mac/I’m a PC” ad 15 years ago. Things have changed since then.

PhlubbaDubba,

This is literally the most up to date security opinion on Macs at the moment, this was course material for 2021 cyber security training

MetaCubed,

As someone who has worked a help desk for nearly a decade now, and hates Mac’s and Apple with a general burning passion:

Suggesting that modern windows 11 is any more usable than MacOS for a general “browse thw web and check email” user, is ridiculous.

Furthermore, some educational programs, jobs, courses, software, may in fact mean that a person has a requirement for a Mac, even if they can’t afford the Mac. >!Though I imagine your response to this will simply be “just dont do the things that need a Mac if you want to complain about capitalism 4head”!<

sanpedropeddler,

I have bought plenty of things that I don’t really need, but I don’t act like capitalism made me do it and I would die without them.

Deceptichum,
@Deceptichum@sh.itjust.works avatar

No one does.

Criticism of capitalism is far beyond purchasing simple goods.

sanpedropeddler,

Did you read the same thing I did? Its saying you either participate in capitalism or die. The “participating” its referring to is a macbook and Starbucks.

conditional_soup,

Needs more words

CorrodedCranium,
@CorrodedCranium@leminal.space avatar

It’s because they aren’t using a used ThinkPad

Xanthrax, (edited )
@Xanthrax@lemmy.world avatar

Asus > Lenovo

They’re very similar, but you get to support Taiwan with Asus. You don’t have a pointing stick, though; if that’s something you care about. The hardware is also similar, but Lenovo generally has better cases/ outershells, but Asus also outperforms them on price point and internal hardware and software.

CorrodedCranium,
@CorrodedCranium@leminal.space avatar

Are there Asus laptops out there that support the same level of reparability/upgradability as ThinkPads?

Xanthrax,
@Xanthrax@lemmy.world avatar

Yes! Here’s one example: www.asus.com/us/laptops/…/asus-br1402c/

Like I said, they don’t offer as many external accessories, but they’re pretty close.

This is coming from someone who grew up using thinkpads. If I were to buy a used laptop for something personal, I’d go with a thinkpad. If I have to buy something new, it’s Asus.

CorrodedCranium,
@CorrodedCranium@leminal.space avatar

That’s kind of neat. At that price point it seems kind of in between a ThinkPad and Framework laptop.

areyouevenreal,

Cool but kinda slow. Would be okay as a Linux machine I imagine, but so would a used ThinkPad.

Winter8593,

Not really supporting either business by buying a used laptop tho?

Xanthrax,
@Xanthrax@lemmy.world avatar

I’m down with that, too. Depends on your needs, though.

Fester,

When people make memes about you using it, you’re supporting the company with good exposure. They should be grateful.

Steve,

I AM using an old thinkpad! Huzzah!

krimsonbun,
@krimsonbun@lemmy.blahaj.zone avatar

Damn you capitalism for forcing me to buy a mac!

Sylvartas,

I’m no Apple fan but I’m scratching my head at this comment. Would any other brand of laptop be “less capitalist” somehow ? Just because they are less overpriced than macs ?

JCreazy,

Framework perhaps

popcap200,

Also, having seen new macs, if I wasn’t into gaming the m chip macs seem better for the price than anything else on the market. 🤷‍♂️

areyouevenreal,

Performance wise? No not any more. Price wise? Again no. Screen quality wise? Only on the Pro. Battery life wise? Yes, with very few exceptions. There are also the software compatibility issues that made me sell mine.

popcap200,

Really? I thought I saw multiple benchmarks with the m-chips blowing all the other Intel and AMD chips out of the water.

areyouevenreal,

I think you have been looking at Apple Benchmarks. M-series isn’t the fastest in multi-core now or when it was released, though it might have been fastest when the first Max chip came out, hard to tell. They had a small lead in single core at one point though I think. It might be faster than the latest AMD by a small lead depending which benchmarks you look at.

nanoreview.net/…/intel-core-i9-13900k-vs-apple-m3…

nanoreview.net/…/apple-m3-max-vs-amd-ryzen-9-7945…

cpu-monkey.com/…/compare_cpu-apple_m1-vs-amd_ryze…

popcap200,

Ah okay! Thank you for providing sources. It still seems like a competitive chip, but I see I was wrong about it being outright better.

I think the first two comparisons are a little unfair (unless I’m mistaken) since those are both desktop spec chips and apple doesn’t realllyyy do desktops anymore.

areyouevenreal,

The second one is a laptop chip, you maybe need to brush up on CPU naming. I actually meant to have a laptop chip for the first as well but I made an error. M3 Max is used in both desktop and laptops. Stop thinking of M series in terms of desktop or laptop, it’s meant to be a multi purpose chip. Even with Intel and AMD you see chips and dies getting reused between desktops and laptops.

Anyway here is one with an Intel laptop chip: nanoreview.net/…/intel-core-i9-14900hx-vs-apple-m…

Although if we are comparing desktop only chips then AMD have Threadripper Pro and Apple has M3 Ultra. I am pretty sure I know who comes out on top (hint: it’s the one with up to 96 cores)

Apple definitely does desktops as M Ultra is only available in desktops and is too hot for Apple Laptops. Although to be fair I could see one of the gaming laptop companies maybe finding a way to make it work.

popcap200,

Ohhh I missed the “H” when I read that. My bad.

Edit: Yeah, I saw the Mac Pro release, but didn’t hear much after that. It seemed like it would end up being really niche. I didn’t realize they had made a desktop specific m3 chip for it. This is what I get for not following tech recently haha.

I would imagine with apple’s poor cooling, many of the Intel and AMD chips would perform worse in the real world in one of their laptops given the difference in power usage. That’s just a theory though given their past thermal issues.

areyouevenreal,

Mac Pro? First Ultra class chip came in Mac Studio. They missed an opportunity to call it a Mac Pro Mini.

They’ve actually improved cooling a fair bit. The two chips I mentioned though are definitely power hungry though. That Intel chip can use up to 115W sustained. I don’t think I want to know what the burst power is. The larger MacBook Pro might actually be able to get close to that (I think Apple’s solution is on the order of 100W if you push both CPU and GPU simultaneously). Yeah the Apple system is considerably lower power once you start looking at GPUs as well.

Edit: actually looking at it the AMD Chip is only rated at 55W similar to Apple’s CPU cores. I think in practice it will be higher though.

Edit 2: Sustained boost of 128W apparently on the AMD chip. Sheesh.

fidodo,

Apple is by far the most monopolistic tech company you can choose from.

But… While capitalism naturally leads to monopolies, capitalism can’t function under monopolies, so I guess supporting the most monopolistic company is going against capitalism…

jbk,

Could’ve been a gift

gamermanh,
@gamermanh@lemmy.dbzer0.com avatar

When I went through college I had to get a MacBook as part of my kit

Literally couldn’t use a different device if I wanted to because of forced app usage (when there were cross platform alternatives that would work just fine)

I’ve also worked somewhere that forced a MacBook onto me as a work device but also allowed us to sticker it up if we wanted cuz they weren’t gonna take it back until it was basically useless anyway

Many places one can get a mac, a couple of them are actually forced on you

acastcandream,

How can it have so many words yet still have incomplete sentences lol

kwomp2,

And additionally progress of society has always to be driven by immanent critique, wich is critique from inside the given historical social order.

Who would criticise human society if not its humans? How would any will to change it ever emerge?

morrowind, (edited )
@morrowind@lemmy.ml avatar

“artificially inflated in value”? I’d like to see someone’s proposal for how they plan on making a high end laptop and a fancy drink made by someone else, which also comes with wifi and a nice place to sit any cheaper.

I wouldn’t buy them but they’re not artificially inflated.

Edit: wait where is the Starbucks? I don’t see it in the pic

EldritchFeminity,

Artificially inflated as in the way that the price of a taco at Taco Bell has doubled since 1990 when accounting for inflation. If things were more expensive to pay workers better, people wouldn’t care. But the federal minimum wage is currently set at 2 McDonald’s hashbrowns an hour and prices have increased faster than inflation in most sectors in the chase of infinite growth.

DragonTypeWyvern,

“fancy drink”

Bitch it’s a latte, it’s bean water and milk

metaStatic,

Bean Water and Moo Juice

morrowind,
@morrowind@lemmy.ml avatar

these starbucks mfs are always putting weird stuff in their drinks. I bet it’s almond milk and cream on top or something

toaster,

Bean water and nut water

metaStatic,

"what are you drinking?"

"Mostly water"

PlainSimpleGarak,

Bean.

MrMakabar, (edited )

Macs naturally can not be stolen or obtain second hand as a gift or in some other sort of deal.

pearsaltchocolatebar,

Huh? You can absolutely change mac ownership if the current associated account holder is involved. It’s a very simple process.

Now, if you need to remove an activation lock without the involvement of the registered account holder, it’s a huge pain in the ass (had to go through this with a work laptop a year ago).

TheUncannyObserver,

Whoosh

starman2112, (edited )
@starman2112@sh.itjust.works avatar

Oh shit, I wonder if that means the person in the original picture could have gotten that Mac secondhand for less than $1,200

JacobCoffinWrites,
@JacobCoffinWrites@slrpnk.net avatar

I don’t know how fancy that one is but I’ve pulled at least five working MacBooks from corporate ewaste. All were out of their absurdly-short OS support but Linux Mint (and I’m assuming a bunch of other distros) run great on them. I’ve handed all of them off since reinstalling but I liked the hardware enough to use one as a writing computer until someone needed it.

wizardbeard,
@wizardbeard@lemmy.dbzer0.com avatar

Ugh, corporate eWaste. I do tech work for a company, and outside of getting verbal approval from someone high enough up to take home two monitors when we acquired another company and we were doing an all hands on deck full replacement of their gear, there’s never been a way for me to recycle waste gear for personal use that wouldn’t put my employment at risk.

No process for letting employees recycle or reclaim gear. Chuck it in the dedicated bin, once a month a third party recycler comes around, takes it away. Supposedly they wipe or destroy the drives, but no word on what they do with the rest of it. Can’t find a damn thing on where/how they resell it, and I’ve spoken with the person in charge of purchasing and depreciating our hardware. Seen way too much hardware tossed that could go to great use, just not as a desktop anymore.

Like, my own collection of old hardware doesn’t have anything in it newer than a decade old, and it’s all budget stuff acquired from family.

Meanwhile there’s four year old business grade desktops being effectively thrown away that I’m seeing go for $300 used. Just let me build my home network without going broke dammit!

tjhart85,
tjhart85 avatar

Yup, my last 2 MBP laptops have been from a junk pile and came to me free/cheap from a buddy who was able to grab a bunch.

All in all, everything I do on a laptop is in a webui, a terminal or within a remote VM so I mostly dgaf about what it can natively run, but the hardware is great and it can load the nix (and brew) package managers, so I really haven't found much that I want it to do that it can't. Hell, even games I can just Steam Link to another machine and play if I want.

My last job was disposing of a 2021 model and I was dumb enough to ask if I could have it rather than just taking it and got told no ... Sold for scrap by the pound! I could have left a 10$ bill in it's place and theyd have gotten more profit, fucking ridiculous.

irmoz,

Sarcasm, friend

Stern,
@Stern@lemmy.world avatar

https://lemmy.world/pictrs/image/14bdb6aa-e53b-48e9-9d4b-774dbcc43016.png

Default_Defect,
@Default_Defect@midwest.social avatar

I’ve only ever seen the last panel of this, delightful.

fine_sandy_bottom,

This is really daft.

It’s possible to participate in society in such a way as to uphold our beliefs about how society ought to be.

If you want to complain about Apple’s abuse of employees, don’t buy their stuff.

If you want to abolish slavery, don’t own any slaves.

If you want to smash capitalism, buy a used thinkpad.

Sure, there are some instances where this just isn’t possible in a complete and absolute sense. For example, I despise google, have invested a lot of effort in degoogling, but there remain some google components I rely on.

However, the existence of these instances does not mean we don’t need to invest any effort in supporting the changes we want to see.

CancerMancer,

I agree, that comic is bullshit. Acknowledging that the world we live in isn’t the one we want but that we can make a garbage system less garbage is absolutely valid. There are initiatives like Right to Repair that bring us closer to our goals while also actively making the existing system suck less, so why not take the money you would have spent on Apple products and put it towards the cause instead?

alcoholicorn,

Least wordy leftist meme.

RIP_Cheems,
@RIP_Cheems@lemmy.world avatar

Is that Michael reeves?

MasterNerd,
@MasterNerd@lemm.ee avatar

As Linux enthusiast I think I have to jump in and say if you’re not using a 10-year-old Thinkpad bought second hand running EndeavorOS you’re not a true socialist

(Obviously I’m not serious but Poe’s Law is a bitch)

Rentlar,

jump in interject for a moment

FTFY.

Templa,

Are there any Thinkpads with dedicated gpus? I did a bit of a search but could only find ones with integrated graphics which for me is a deal breaker

areyouevenreal,

Yes several. Some have quadro graphics for professionals too.

jawa21,
@jawa21@lemmy.sdf.org avatar

ThinkPad X1 Extreme. Good luck on getting it at a low price, though.

cristo,

Erm I run arch by the way

lemmylem,

If you’re not running a Libreboot Thinkpad T500 with Hyperbola GNU/Linux installed, you’re not a true socialist.

0x2d,

that’s the thinkpad my grandparents had before getting a new one in 2020

fidodo,

Oh, I didn’t know you needed apple products, the most monopolistic tech company to exist, to survive. That explains why their fans are so rabbid. I better switch from Linux otherwise I’ll die.

WiseThat,

It’s not all that uncommon for workplaces to require a specific OS

fidodo,

That’s a good point

exocrinous,

Monopolistic means there are no other options. That’s the definition of monopoly. She needs apple products because they’re a monopoly. The refutal is in the words you used.

GBU_28,

“we live in a society”.

People are pressured to align with social norms, so the word “survival” in this case is used very expansively. It means not only to continue to exist, but to continue to exist in the social strata you have managed to achieve. ANY such strata comes with standards of quality, and pressures to make choices that align with the group. There are always outliers who cross strata and reject certain things, but that does not mean all of us don’t abide in certain cases.

So no, you don’t need a Mac, but you may receive pressure from your social group, and may value conformity as a part of your “social survival”

nonailsleft,

Maybe she prefers the Apple ecosystem and her social group pressured her to add the stickers

GBU_28,

Now you’re cookin

accideath,

Or, she got the mac second hand and does indeed oppose capitalism. Wouldn’t explain the starbucks tho…

PlainSimpleGarak,

While I accept your argument, you’re either a juvenile, or an extremely weak willed person to buy a particular brand because your “friends” pressured you to be more like them.

GBU_28,

What a rude and uncivil comment.

I’m not discussing “friends” I’m discussing nearly every element of public adult life.

You are not free from social pressures the same way no one is immune from propaganda.

PlainSimpleGarak,

I was not referring to you personally. I was generalizing. My comment was not rude. You simply perceived it as rude.

I would ask you to speak for yourself. You do not speak for all of society. Perhaps one isn’t free from potentially being the recipient of attempted social pressure, but one is certainly free to ignore it. I’ve been doing it for most of my adult life. I do what I feel is logical. Not what others would have me do.

GBU_28,

You’re missing the point. There’s so many pressures you don’t even perceive. Your whole perception of what’s appropriate is not free from influence.

PlainSimpleGarak,

This is an entirely subjective argument. I’ll accept this as your opinion, and perhaps your personal experience, and leave it at that.

GBU_28,

This is a heavily studied topic in mental health, various humanities disciplines, career coaching, etc. I’m not inventing this concept.

exocrinous,

Who said anything about friends? Young people are often pressured to buy a particular tech product by their school.

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