Amazing how we’ve gone from “clap for the NHS they’re amazing” to “you want fair compensation? psst!”
Also if the strike has only been going on for a little while then how does the Daily Mail account for the fact that NHS quality has gone down every year of the decade long Tory rule.
Maybe it’s not the doctors that’s the problem… maybe it’s the politicians (including Labour since Wes Streeting is chomping at the bit to carve up the NHS and continue the Tory legacy)
The Daily Shart has never been anything but tabloid garbage, no one should ever be subjected to anything from that publication for the good of all humankind
From the paper that brought you: “Hurrah for the Blackshirts” an editorial from 1934 reporting on Hitlers blackshirts, by the then editor Viscount Rothermere who’s son the current Viscount Rothermere still owns it… same shite different arsehole…
Not much up to date with UK politics but striking Doctors sounds a bit irresponsible. I totaly get the need for fair compensation and they should totally get that, no question, but is it a good idea to strike in the health industry? There have to be better options, no? Or maybe I‘m just uninformed but this sounds like it’s puting peoples health at risk, which feels wrong to me.
As far as I’m aware, doctors striking typically works differently than most other labor. They usually have a certain number of doctors in rotation working to take care of crticial things. Non-critical operation gets delayed indefinitely though.
Just like the rail worker strike in the US, my opinion is that if some people are that critical that anyone thinks they shouldn’t strike, their employers shouldn’t let it get to that point. Preferably the employees would have democratic control of the company so it never becomes an issue, but that’s not going to happen anytime soon. Anyway, the company is responsible for strikes happening, not the workers.
I totaly get the need for fair compensation and they should totally get that, no question
Great!
but is it a good idea to strike in the health industry?
Oh, but I do see some questions here haha. I see your point, but to that end:
There have to be better options, no?
No, there really aren’t. All labor has is collective action (and although it seems crazy doctors are usually working class) . It’s the only way they’ve ever made progress, and where they lack it, workers’ rights are always eroded.
If healthcare never paid a decent wage in the first place, there wouldn’t be highly-skilled doctors and the population wouldn’t be at risk from suffering from a healthcare strike - because they would just be suffering day in and day out instead.
How is “despite waiting lists being a record high” on the doctors? That’s on the hospitals or government for not hiring enough doctors, probably because they don’t pay well enough. The doctors should add “the waiting lists are too long” to their complaints (if not already on there).
[they] should add “the waiting lists are too long.
They have, for your information :)
He said: "The government was presiding over this problem long before any industrial action - waiting lists were steadily getting worse for the decade leading up to the pandemic arriving.
“In fact, it is these waiting lists - and doctors being unable to do their jobs because of underinvestment, workforce shortages and rota gaps - that lie behind the strikes they’re being forced to take now.”
If junior doctors are paid so badly wouldn’t a better response to this be to quit and do something else or move to a different country? You help yourself and eventually the NHS has to realise that only paying a gazillion bureaucrats whilst having too few and too badly paid doctors isn’t going to work out. To be fair this is already happening, many doctors have left and we have 22 month waiting times… Time is approaching where NHS, the huge bureaucratic behemoth, is dismantled and replaced with something better.
“If junior doctors are paid so badly wouldn’t a better response to this be to quit and do something else or move to a different country?”
They are, and they have been…? The NHS has been hemorrhaging staff since well before the pandemic, from nurses, senior nursing staff, registrars, junior doctors and consultants… I know at least 5 people myself from various hospital/GP health care trades that have upped sticks and moved to Canada, Australia or New Zealand… because of exactly these problems. They get payed better and have a higher quality of life in the commonwealth than back here…
Drexit (“Doctor-Exit”) is the exponentially growing trend for doctors to walk away from their jobs in the NHS, either to new healthcare systems overseas such as Canada, Australia, New Zealand or perhaps worse, into new professions altogether, leaving behind their well trained medical brains. This exodus has been gaining momentum for several years with the workforce now at breaking point.
Four in 10 junior doctors are actively planning to quit the NHS as soon as they can find another job, according to a survey by the British Medical Association. The survey, released as part of the BMA chair of council Prof Philip Banfield’s new year message, found poor pay and working conditions were among the main reasons for junior doctors wanting to leave.
What I am shocked at is people still buy tabloid news papers in the UK especially the junk papers like the daily mail. The UK media is brought and sold just like the US media. All trash, don’t support them.
Patients are harming striking doctors. If they want to be seen sooner, they could help apply pressure to the government to improve conditions, instead of licking boots and crying about labour action.
There’s a very high level of support for NHS strikes, around 2:1 for vs against. Mebbe cast aspersions on those with the power to resolve them, not the people the Daily Mail will never give a platform to.
Is that 2 thirds getting off the couch and doing anything? Interesting that the western world can sanction countries under the logic that people can pressure the governments. But when it’s time for pressuring their own, well… suddenly it’s time to get indignant about casting aspersions. At least the French riot. Maybe the UK is waiting for another bus to tell them what to believe.
If you cannot be arsed to think about how power works, there is no helping you.
Still, at least France will get its revolution. All those people out on the streets, it’s inevitable, right? So easy, the whole world would be a socialist paradise if only people weren’t so stupid and lazy and too busy keeping a roof over their heads to be more like your saintly self.
I was originally making a contrary joke in response to the headline. With a bit of a message tacked on about supporting strikers, semi in response to entitled behavior I’ve directly seen by people on the Canadian side of things. With a bit of natural disdain for the British thrown in of course.
Now it’s true I’ve been a bit of a dick but you’re in the mud with me too lmao.
there is no helping you.
And what was it you said?
Great tools for building solidarity
Anyway I’m not sure we’re really on separate sides here, so much as just being nasty at this point. So peace.
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