chaogomu,

I always like to point out that when congress banned the transatlantic slave trade in 1808, it didn't stop the desire of slaveholders for new slaves.

Enslaved women were used as brood mares until they physically could not produce more children. Then some of those women were subjected to medical experimentation (without painkillers) to repair the damage caused by pregnancies either too frequent or too early.

The population of enslaved black people quadrupled in the 50 years after the transatlantic slave trade was banned. White slave owners would often rape their enslaved women, and then sell off the children for profit. And could get more profit, because the children had lighter skin.

Oh, and that ban on the transatlantic slave trade? That was very easy to get around. Jim Bowie, as an example, used to smuggle slaves from French pirate slaver traders into the US through the swamps of Louisiana. Then he moved to Texas as part of a plan to turn it into a slave holding nation. (Mexico had actually banned slavery)

Jim Bowie, died at the Alamo, likely in bed shitting himself from cholera. Couldn't have happened to a more deserving sort.

I really should try to control my tangents...

Cheems,
@Cheems@lemmy.world avatar

Wasn’t the Alamo almost entirely about slavery too? As in a blight on our past that has been misconstrued and blatantly lied about to become something we’re taught to be proud of?

chaogomu,

Yeah, the entire Texas independence movement was white slaver owners wanting to own slaves in Texas. Which was actually part of Mexico, and had banned slavery in Texas a few years prior, and the white colonist slave owners were having none of it.

There were several rebellions against Santa Anna at the time, Texas was the only "success". All because of the white slave owners pumping a lot of money into the fight.

InverseParallax,

The Tennessee “Volunteers”, who volunteered to go to Texas to fight to get another American slave state.

vd1n,

Parents of the uvalde kids benefited too. Their house hold cost of living went down.

Fuck America and those that still support all the fake life rapist bullshit that it builds.

MicroWave,
@MicroWave@lemmy.world avatar

Unbelievable

Some on the right defended DeSantis, including Fox News host Jesse Watters.

“No one is arguing slaves benefited from slavery,” Watters said Friday on his prime time show. “No one is saying that. It’s not true. They are teaching how Black people develop skills during slavery in some instances that can be applied for their own personal benefit.”

killernova,

Sooo… they did benefit from slavery, and also didn’t benefit from slavery? He said both things in the same breath…

Obviously slavery is purely wrong.

billiam0202,

Doublethink is a requirement to be a Fox News host.

hillsanddales,

I guess there’s a Tucker Carlson sized hole of hatred that the other anchors are clamoring to fill

Silverseren,

Watters, you just said the same thing twice.

rusticus1773,

The word benefit and slavery should only be used together when talking about slaveowners and the 1700s-1800s US economy.

ed_cock,
ed_cock avatar

Funny, that's actually the argument most often heard in Germany when people want to bring back mandatory military/civil service. Yes, it's slavery, but it'll teach you stuff!

stephfinitely,
stephfinitely avatar

What personal benefits do these people think slaves had/have?

DrPop,

That’s called adapting to your circumstances.

Pandantic,
@Pandantic@lemmy.world avatar

Yeah, like cooking the parts of animals their slavers threw out. How beneficial!

SkyeStarfall,

This shit is literally doublethink straight out of 1984. And I thought the book was hyperbolic.

FlyingSquid,
@FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

We also are approaching the point where we will have ‘novel-writing machines.’ Except ours will also make movies.

fubo,

DeSantis doubles down on his estimate that his electoral chances really don’t depend on the votes of anyone who isn’t a doctrinaire white-supremacist.

Obstagoon,
@Obstagoon@lemmy.world avatar

What if you’re not white and vote for him, or if you’re white and not a SuPrEmAcIsT? I’m not voting for him but I am curious on where the answer stands with these two scenarios.

themeatbridge,

Some republicans aren’t hateful bigots. Some of them are ignorant morons.

Obstagoon,
@Obstagoon@lemmy.world avatar

I can agree to this, you make a very good point. I’m neither dem or repub I just like to ask questions.

FlyingSquid,
@FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar
Creyapnilla,
@Creyapnilla@lemmy.world avatar

You sound like that dumb fuck Alex Jones.

slicedcheesegremlin,
slicedcheesegremlin avatar

why the fuck are you voting for someone who made his own private militarized police force to protect his interests like a stereotypical cold war era dictator

Obstagoon,
@Obstagoon@lemmy.world avatar

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  • rusticus1773,

    Lol

    abracaDavid,

    If you saw a house burning down and you did nothing to stop the flames, wouldn’t you say that that person wanted the house to burn down?

    If you are not actively against white supremacists, you are allowing them to spread and flourish. It’s like a weed. If you don’t pull it, it’s going to take over your beds.

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  • Lemmylefty,
    @Lemmylefty@lemmy.world avatar

    If you watch someone piss in a milk carton and then offer you a bowl of cereal the next morning, and you accept, it’s because you’re either into it or really, really out of it.

    Obstagoon,
    @Obstagoon@lemmy.world avatar

    Well this didn’t have to do with either and didn’t happen so I can’t really respond to this fake scenario.

    Creyapnilla,
    @Creyapnilla@lemmy.world avatar

    FFS, use your fucking brain, man!

    Countess425,
    @Countess425@lemmy.world avatar

    Nobody expects you to understand a metaphor. It’s for the rest of us to lol at.

    mindbleach,

    Fake scenarios like asking ‘what if I support a bigot without being a bigot?’

    0110010001100010,

    I like this answer best.

    fubo,

    People who aren’t into white-supremacy are not the target audience of his imagined fond recollections of some ancestor’s plantation.

    Obstagoon,
    @Obstagoon@lemmy.world avatar

    Fair enough point.

    rusticus1773,

    So ceiling is 30% and with Trump present his ceiling is 4%.

    partial_accumen,

    If the GOP candidate is so enthusiastic to extol the benefits of being a slave, why has he not volunteered himself into slavery so that, he too, could gain these benefits he’s claiming enslaved people received?

    Laticauda,

    I’m sure black people couldn’t possibly have developed these skills on their own terms if they were free. 🙄🙄🙄🙄🙄

    FlyingSquid,
    @FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

    If you can only use your skills by being enslaved, you didn’t benefit. Fucking racist prick.

    thefloweracidic,

    The claim that slaves benefited from slavery is like saying you benefited from getting your arm torn off because you are now ten pounds lighter.

    knjhu378HNJ,

    Exactly, there’s a sick, twisted sort of truth in there, but dude is forgetting the slavery side, the no freedom side. He can go into slavery himself if he thinks it’s such a great way to learn lucrative new skills.

    MrSpArkle,

    The point of the claim is to diminish the horrors of slavery and to eliminate it as a factor in the current poverty, lack of education, and crime that endemic in black communities.

    Once they do that they can just say it’s a “race” thing, and re-employ racist policies to put black people in their “proper place”, whether it be one of servitude, subjugation, or exile depends on the flavor of bigot.

    thefloweracidic,

    I’m pretty sure any “skills” learned under slavery didn’t create any amount of net good. When slavery ended the living conditions for former slaves plummeted. As a slave they were property, they had value, and their owners had good reason to keep them alive or maintain their selling value. As a free citizen they became a business cost, and held no value to their bosses. Therefore former slaves would get paid next to nothing to do the same brutal work they were doing as slaves, with a whole tsunami of apathetic racism to deal with too.

    Yeah, a black man may have learned blacksmithing, but his life was still shit. The life of his children was still shit. Those “skills” didn’t do jack shit, if they could even apply them? Like imagine being an uneducated recently freed slave in a society where an overwhelming amount of cunts hate you for no good reason, now imagine what a job search would be like under those conditions.

    Nothing about slavery was fucking good.

    FlyingSquid,
    @FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

    Nothing about slavery was fucking good.

    Disney got a movie out of it! Zip-a-de-doo-dah!

    DaveNa,

    And people said “it can’t get more stupid than trump.”

    mindbleach,

    What servitude would DeSantis need to be forced into, to develop skills such as basic human empathy?

    RGB3x3,

    Probably best to just get rid of him entirely.

    Let’s give him an all-expense-paid trip with OceanGate

    swnt,

    Everytime someone suggests this, I’d suggest them to go back a few hundred years in history and live the life of all the people back then.

    If they then still have the courage to suggest it,then I’ll watch.

    DeadNinja,
    @DeadNinja@lemmy.world avatar

    Desanctimonius…

    dnick,

    Some presidential candidates benefit from being punched repeatedly in the face. Let’s not demonize presidential candidate face punching so quickly either.

    assassinatedbyCIA,

    It may improve the appearance of some of the presidential candidates. We really need to both sides the presidential face punching issue.

    Sir_Simon_Spamalot,

    The guy must’ve been inspired by Django.

    He didn’t watch it til the end.

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