Mostly_Gristle,

I like the two random giant bullets of different calibers arranged next to the AK as if to suggest that rifle could suddenly become capable of firing them. If the IDF had found either of the guns capable of firing those rounds it would be front and center of their “evidence,” because those guns are huge and scary looking.

Those rounds are about the right size for a soldier to carry around in their pocket to “find” and imply the existence of heavier weapons, but I’m sure the IDF would never stoop to such obvious and underhanded tactics.

Schmuppes,

Is that two cans of WD-40?

Seasoned_Greetings,

Gotta have two in case one doesn’t open, hank hill style

Madison420,

Case lube, in sandy environments when you load higher caliber weapons it’s not uncommon to wipe them down with a rag covered in light oil so the case doesn’t jam and render the weapon inoperable for at least some time.

Deceptichum,
Deceptichum avatar

Israel lieing again? Say it ain’t so.

yardy_sardley,

So they found almost as many guns as a typical American household and like, a calendar written in Arabic? Yeah, they should definitely keep looking. I’m sure the weapons of mass destruction are in there somewhere. /s

agitatedpotato,

I was gonna say the amount of guns they found is less than what you see on a republicans christmas card.

Rapidcreek,

I’ve seen them and you are wrong. I don’t see Republicans with RPG rounds and plastic explosives.

Steve,

I would If I could

Rapidcreek,

But you can’t so you won’t

Witchfire,
@Witchfire@lemmy.world avatar

Only because they’re so illegal they’re hard to get with few exceptions

Madison420,

It’s about the right amount for seized property taken from fighters which they probably don’t let them keep on them for obvious reasons.

Rapidcreek,

Maybe you could volunteer to go into those rat holes.

grte,

Why would they need to? Did that person bomb the hospital and now needs to justify it?

Rapidcreek,

The best thing to do with those tunnels is just blow them up. But now they will be forced to enter to give the weenies some sort of proof. They found dead hostages and a large amount of weapons but that isn’t enough.

grte,

The best thing to do would be to end apartheid.

Rapidcreek,

How does that give you the evidence you so desperately need?

grte,

That I need? I’ve seen more than enough to draw my own conclusions about what Israel is up to. They seem to want to convince the world of something, though.

Rapidcreek,

So, your judgment is predetermined. Figures.

TokenBoomer, (edited )

I wonder if Ahmad Shabat’s judgement is predetermined?

Rapidcreek,

If you really want to trade sad stories, there are quite a few from October 7th, but I am sure you aren’t interested as I am not interested in your appeal of sympathy.

TokenBoomer,

Nice deflection hombre.

Rapidcreek,

Not a deflection. Simply the truth.

TokenBoomer,

Ahmed was an appeal to sympathy. And simply the truth.

Rapidcreek,

The first sentance is correct.

TokenBoomer,

So you know that a 3 year old’s judgement is predetermined.

snek,
@snek@lemmy.world avatar

Israel did like x10 October 7’s to Gaza, and that’s an understatement given that people are now starving and dying of thirst. Israel should be ashamed.

Rapidcreek,

War is he’ll, isn’t it?

snek,
@snek@lemmy.world avatar

This war and all of these deaths were avoidable. Israel is not some force of nature. It’s an apartheid state, founded illegitimately, and has an increasingly racist knesset that is calling openly for genocide. This is the second Nakba. Israel did the equivalent of the holocaust to another nation of people, and have shamelessly called it Nakba 2023. The news has gotten so sick that I can’t read it without my stomach turning. Patients dying of thirst, sick children unable to make a forced journey to the south which will also later be bombed, doctors who have lost family and colleagues all in the same month and are somehow holding on, the cutting of water. This is what Israel is doing.

Rapidcreek,

Oh my, a real zealot…

Israel is not some force of nature.

israel was brutally attacked on Oct. 7th. Any country…Any country would have gone to war. And this has been proven throughout history.

founded illegitimately

Isreal was created by the UN. I don’t see how it could be more legimately founded

Israel did the equivalent of the holocaust to another nation of people

Well I guess you recognize there was a Holocaust at least, though you obviously know very little about it.

The news has gotten so sick that I can’t read it

Then don’t

Patients dying of thirst, sick children unable to make a forced journey to the south which will also also keep time later be bombed, doctors who have lost family and colleagues all in the same month and are somehow are holding on, the cutting of water. This is what Israel is doing

You know there are also some pretty horrible stories from October 7th you should consider, but you won’t. War is brutal, but you should ta consider that reality lies somewhere in between the “facts”

snek,
@snek@lemmy.world avatar

israel was brutally attacked on Oct. 7th. Any country…Any country would have gone to war. And this has been proven throughout history.

All these counties that are criticising Israel is because they would never fucking do what Israel is doing now or endorse it.

Rapidcreek,

All those countries know they too would go to war. They criticize tactics, but few besides the US come up with any alternatives, so their criticisms are flaccid. Then there are the middle eastern countries, with the exception of Saudi and Jordan, who said immediately after the butchery of October 7th that Israel deserved it.

snek,
@snek@lemmy.world avatar

5,000 children are gone.

be_excellent_to_each_other,
be_excellent_to_each_other avatar

But now they will be forced to enter to give the weenies some sort of proof.

 

So, your judgment is predetermined. Figures.

So wanting evidence is bad, and forming an opinion without evidence is also bad, am I reading you right?

leraje,
@leraje@lemmy.blahaj.zone avatar

As far as I’m aware, they found one dead hostage near, not at, the hospital, 1 vehicle with weapons, a film of a cache of weapons that BBC analysis showed had been edited and altered and 1 tunnel shaft.

Even if we take all that at face value (which the BBC analysis demonstrates we shouldn’t), this is hardly the command centre of Hamas that the IDF has led us to believe was its reason for bombing a hospital.

Rapidcreek,

They found two and perhaps you or the BBC should go down into the spider hole. Great way to be sent home in a bag.

leraje,
@leraje@lemmy.blahaj.zone avatar

I’m sure journalists will be allowed into the ‘tunnel’ after the IDF have been down there long enough to make the requisite changes.

Rapidcreek,

So your views are predetermined too. Not really original.

leraje,
@leraje@lemmy.blahaj.zone avatar

In what sense are they pre-determined?

The IDF claimed the hospital was a major centre of Hamas operation. They’ve presented nothing to back that up except doctored videos and a few weapons. My view that the tunnel will probably not establish this thriving hub of Hamas activity the IDF said it was is not determined by anything other than the evidence, if you can even call it that, that the IDF have presented thus far and a suspicion that they’ll doctor whatever they do (or more likely don’t) find in that single tunnel.

Rapidcreek,

Because it’s obvious it doesn’t matter. Whatever might be done, a reason will be found not to believe it.

leraje,
@leraje@lemmy.blahaj.zone avatar

No, it absolutely does matter. And the reason it matters is because what the IDF claims has so far totally failed to match up with what it’s shown. That’s why people are so cynical. If they show evidence for their claims, evidence that can be independently verified by decent journalists, I’d be much more prepared to believe them.

Madison420,

You act like combat footage via action camera (GoPro etc) aren’t the norm these days. I can assure you I watch combat footage literally everyday and the fact that such a technologically forward country has not provided the action footage from the hospital is extremely telling.

queermunist,
@queermunist@lemmy.ml avatar

Just poke a camera inside and prove it isn’t just a basement! Until I see proof that the hole is a tunnel I will assume it’s just a hole.

Rapidcreek,

First of all I would doubt that even that would convince you of anything. It will just lead you to your next doubt.

queermunist,
@queermunist@lemmy.ml avatar

I doubt you have ever needed proof of anything. You just believe everything the IDF says, regardless of the reality everyone else sees.

Rapidcreek,

Everyone? US Intwlligence isn’t part of your everyone. They are paid to know. Your everyone must only be those that think like you do.

queermunist,
@queermunist@lemmy.ml avatar

I wipe my ass with US intelligence.

Where’s Iraq’s WMDs?

Rapidcreek,

You really wipe your ass with the whole country but are afraid to admit it.

queermunist,
@queermunist@lemmy.ml avatar

The whole world shits on the United Snakes. 😘

Rapidcreek,

Your world does anyhow.

queermunist,
@queermunist@lemmy.ml avatar

Look at the UN; the US and Israel against the world.

Rapidcreek,

Not particularly true, but I know you like to think it is.

queermunist,
@queermunist@lemmy.ml avatar

Go look up what happened with the UN security council votes on “humanitarian pauses” in the fighting. The US was the only country on Earth to vote “no” for the past month; it finally relented when pressure grew too great.

I know you like to let US and Israel intelligence think for you, but you need to wake the fuck up and get on the right side of history before it’s too late.

Rapidcreek,

You can’t quite get a logic line between the two paragraphs, but nice try.

queermunist,
@queermunist@lemmy.ml avatar

lol okay chatbot

Just keep running the same script, the world is moving on without you.

Rapidcreek,

Oh, so nobody pointed out your nonsense before? Interesting.

Witchfire,
@Witchfire@lemmy.world avatar

Hell, send a small drone or robot. You know those shiny toys we give up our healthcare for 🙃

Annoyed_Crabby,

Blow them up without actual proof of any “main HQ used by enemy” but only intel gained from multiple source, and kill thousands of refugees, dozens of doctor, and hundreds of patients, under a protected ground by the Geneva Convention which UN member have to observe.

You sir are fucking brilliant.

Rapidcreek,

I’m just thinking about booby traps and suicide vests… Pardon me.

Madison420,

Those things they haven’t found yet?

Jimmyeatsausage,

Dead soldiers are always better than dead civilains. I say that as a veteran.

snek,
@snek@lemmy.world avatar

What about the hostages?

Madison420,

Dead people at a hospital!?!!?!? No way!

This isn’t complex and I’ve not actually seen any proof of dead hostages nor are we likely to find it anytime soon. I imagine I’m a couple days Israel will say they have genetic matches while ignoring the fact they keep genetic records of their citizens.

saraabi,

I am Jack’s complete lack of surprise

be_excellent_to_each_other,
be_excellent_to_each_other avatar

Huh.

ikidd,
@ikidd@lemmy.world avatar

Is this like the actress playing a Gazan nurse propaganda video?

Jimmyeatsausage,

Oh shit guys…I’ve got 3 guns and some wd-40 in my closet. Am I a terrorist headquarters?

Fades,

wow that is just sad

givesomefucks,

They’ve already been caught lying…

Even the videos produced so far have raised questions under scrutiny. A BBC analysis found the footage of an IDF spokesperson showing the apparent discovery of a bag containing a gun behind an MRI scanning machine, had been taped hours before the arrival of the journalists to whom he was supposedly showing it.

In a video shown later, the number of guns in the bag had doubled. The IDF claimed its video of what it found at the hospital was unedited, filmed in a single take, but the BBC analysis found it had been edited.

They knew there was a large basement, because they built it…

Israeli forces say they are still carefully exploring the site. The video presentation of al-Shifa did show the main facilities lay deep underground, and it is quite possible the Israeli soldiers have not reached them yet, so there could be much more to come. But the attempt to present what has been found so far as significant is bound to fuel scepticism about whatever is presented later.

There are questions over how much of its graphic presentation of the network under al-Shifa was based on what Israel knew already; its own architect had built an extensive basement area there the last time Israel directly occupied Gaza, up to 2005.

And even if they weren’t lying, it’s still not enough to get around the Geneva Convention…

All of this is significant under the Geneva conventions, which forbid military operations against hospitals unless “they are used to commit, outside their humanitarian duties, acts harmful to the enemy”. This exception, spelled out in article 19 of the fourth Geneva convention, states specifically: “… the presence of small arms and ammunition taken from such combatants and not yet handed to the proper service, shall not be considered to be acts harmful to the enemy”.

There’s no rationale reason to believe any claims made by Netanyahu’s government. Time after time they make these outrageous claims, and if they actually try to show evidence it turns out to be at best a misrepresentation, but often outright fabrication

TallonMetroid,
@TallonMetroid@lemmy.world avatar

Man, it’s almost like apartheid governments engaging in ethnic cleansing can’t be trusted to operate in good faith or something. Imagine that.

EurekaStockade,

If that MRI machine is in use then that gun can’t have been there very long, the extremely powerful magnetic field means metal objects can not be present in the same room while the machine is active.

msage,

Just yesterday I saw a video where a chair exerted 2000 pounds of force when next to the working MRI machine.

Can’t imagine guns being near.

Silverseren,

I would presume the MRI was in use up until the hospital's electricity was cut when the IDF started its siege a couple days ago. So those guns apparently manifested in that bag in that location since then. Which really does make them seem planted.

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