Can homeless people be fined for sleeping outside? A rural Oregon city asks the US Supreme Court

The scenes were emblematic of the crisis gripping the small, Oregon mountain town of Grants Pass, where a fierce fight over park space has become a battleground for a much larger, national debate on homelessness that has reached the U.S. Supreme Court.

The town’s case, set to be heard April 22, has broad implications for how not only Grants Pass, but communities nationwide address homelessness, including whether they can fine or jail people for camping in public. It has made the town of 40,000 the unlikely face of the nation’s homelessness crisis, and further fueled the debate over how to deal with it.

“I certainly wish this wasn’t what my town was known for,” Mayor Sara Bristol told The Associated Press last month. “It’s not the reason why I became mayor. And yet it has dominated every single thing that I’ve done for the last 3 1/2 years.”

Officials across the political spectrum — from Democratic Gov. Gavin Newsom in California, which has nearly 30% of the nation’s homeless population, to a group of 22 conservative-led states — have filed briefs in the case, saying lower court rulings have hamstrung their ability to deal with encampments.

werefreeatlast,

I was wondering if it would be legal to just run over rich people. You what I mean? Let’s say you are driving to work and Elon musk is walking from the parking lot to the Starbucks. Could you just drive him over? What about a ticket? Can we give rich people a ticket? Sure it’s not like driving over them, but it could work!

UnfortunateShort,

Yes, let’s waste money on fining people, who will tell you they have nothing, but it’s no problem, because you will get them sooner or later once you have their address… Oh.

AA5B,

Fine them for having nothing, then jail them for not paying fines. Now you have an address for them. QED

Ultragigagigantic,
@Ultragigagigantic@lemmy.world avatar

Yall call this civilization? What a joke.

Veraxus,

“Can blood be squeezed from a stone? A rural Oregon city asks the US Council of Monarchs.”

postmateDumbass,

Plasma can.

Just wait until those individual sleeping pods can harvest electricity…

uis, (edited )

You know, after Putin will be finally sent to Hauge(or die) Russia can solve its demographic problem(you know, hundreds of thousands people becoming fertilizer) by simply making flying to Russia free.

Or that is just another stupid idea and we should focus on education, healthcare, pensions, welfare and public transport instead. This should be even easier and have bigger results.

bradorsomething,

We keep eroding the social support network and complain about the homeless problem.

We keep changing the environment and complain about the new weather.

This all ends… so well.

ShepherdPie,

This lawsuit is idiotic considering the federal courts already ruled that you can’t apply penalties against sleeping outside unless there are enough shelter beds for everyone. That ruling was in our federal district covering Oregon…

Patches,

Yes but this is the new “What the Fuck is a Precedent?” United States Supreme Court

SkyezOpen,

Wonder if we could use Kickstarter to crowdfund bribes for the supreme court to give us our rights back.

CosmicCleric,
@CosmicCleric@lemmy.world avatar

have filed briefs in the case, saying lower court rulings have hamstrung their ability to deal with encampments.

Think it’s more about this, than actually collecting fines from homeless people that have no money.

theotherverion,

If they are homeless, then they definitely have billions to pay the fines!!

GhostFence,

“Just stop being poor!” - that town

m4xie,

More likely, “go be poor somewhere else!”

capem,

I genuinely believe these places should just give homeless people 1-way tickets to Hawaii.

Make it their problem.

GhostFence,

I mean, for real. How long before the cattle cars come?

m4xie,

Guy at my old work was always saying we need to do this.

GhostFence,

Plans like that always work until the metaphorical cattle car comes for them.

nexguy,
@nexguy@lemmy.world avatar

Just reach into your wallet and pull out the money is not rocket science

capem,

Personally, if I was homeless and found out I’m now in debt from the greedy-fuckers who put me there…

I would just take the law into my own hands at that point.

theotherverion,

Idk how it is in your country but here it’s very common to see homeless people being homeless by their own fault.

But yes, if someone else gets you there, you have nothing to lose.

IamtheMorgz,

By their own fault? Do they just super enjoy living outside?

theotherverion,

No but started drinking alcohol, left their jobs, etc.

Entropywins,

Often, at the surface all you’ll see is someone being homeless through their own actions. Take a peak a little closer and you’ll see that we all failed them collectively. The biggest difference I’ve noticed between housed and unhoused isn’t the amount of trauma/violence/abuse they’ve suffered its the amount of support around them that made the difference in life trajectory.

theotherverion,

I think they experience the most trauma under the bridge.

AA5B,

Regardless of how they hit there, how is it useful for anyone to attempt to fine someone for having nothing? Seems like just a pretense to jail people

theotherverion,

It’s not.

the_post_of_tom_joad,

There is political pressure from our corporate prison companies to fill their beds, so they can get their tasty government stipend. Indeed, jailing them is beneficial to both parties involved as it “solves” the homeless issue for the govt and makes money for the bribery donation class citizens they serve.

graycube,

Fines will teach those people who have no money to get more money.

xia,

A fine on existing.

Silentiea,
@Silentiea@lemmy.blahaj.zone avatar

No, no, no. We wouldn’t think of fining people for existing. Just for existing while poor.

Ultragigagigantic,
@Ultragigagigantic@lemmy.world avatar

I believe that would include my monthly tribute to my landed lord.

Sam_Bass,

Open up the governor’s mansion so they can sleep indoors

Cuttlefish1111,

Churches

Sam_Bass,

Those too

FlyingSquid,
@FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

I didn’t think they’d actually start setting up Sanctuary Districts in 2024, but it looks like that’s their eventual goal…

memory-alpha.fandom.com/wiki/Bell_Riots

Too bad we don’t have a Gabriel Bell.

Silentiea,
@Silentiea@lemmy.blahaj.zone avatar

Be the change you want to see in the world.

lath,

Maybe our version is Gabby Belle.

some_guy,

With this lineup, the SC is going to make execution the punishment for not having gainful employment. Only half sarcastic.

PrincessLeiasCat,

Sounds like we’re running out of orphans for the orphan-crushing machine.

Reference

Maggoty,

Oh no they still work. They just can’t afford to live in a building.

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