Ryujinx is still around, also fuck Nintendo even thought I had bought all the games I play on Yuzu from here on out if I ever buy a Nintendo console it will be only if there is a method to pirate games on that shit. They don’t deserve my money cause their hardware is shit it was 5 years outdated when the switch came out. I want to play my games at 60 FPS and without my eyes bleeding due to the shit resolution and anti-aliasing. So if they want my money they need to pull a Sony and release their games on pc!
You wanna believe I downloaded it as soon as this was announced. Been playing some Metroid Dread on a 32 inch monitor with a controller that doesn’t cramp up my hands the past couple of days. Thanks for giving me the push I needed Nintendo! I might have just been happy with my Steam library instead.
Yuzu fucked up. This is about more than the decryption. Yuzu’s actions (copypasta from a fine redditor):
Massive patreon, to the point it has an LLC set to manage the money flow
Early access releases are effectively SOLD, they fucked around with manifest/build files, abused GPL to go after some forks back when they were Citra, attacked other forks/emulators then benefitted from their work and even replicated their practices (like CEMU’s patreon), etc
Actively targets Switch competitors (Steam Deck, Android), to the point Valve once included it in a marketing reel
Its presence on the OFFICIAL Android play store rather than an apk competes with Nintendo’s own Android games (undermining both those and the Switch)
Unauthorized use of Nintendo imagery
Extensive telemetry, itself juicy data that could be sold for advertisers, on top of Nintendo’s own built-in telemetry that’s also sent
Patreon marketing is heavily focused on games that broke street day release date, and even when they show some “restraint” it’s just a release day post how much better the game runs on a platform that’s not the Nintendo Switch, in the same launch period where most sales happen
Progress reports timed suspiciously close to major Nintendo first-party releases
ATTEMPTED to make a competitor to the Switch Online service, using files from an external preservation group, and it would have been a PAID service, and the subscription MORE EXPENSIVE than Nintendo’s actual service (it was $60 something) despite smaller compatibility, for games still online, as a CLOSED-SOURCE FORK of a GPL PROJECT so that players don’t actually set up their own custom servers to avoid paying Yuzu’s pittance. When there was backlash, they REMOVED all traces of online emulation after they couldn’t profit off it.
Early access releases are effectively SOLD, they fucked around with manifest/build files, abused GPL to go after some forks back when they were Citra, attacked other forks/emulators then benefitted from their work and even replicated their practices (like CEMU’s patreon), etc
Source on this?
Also saying that EA was being sold is false, they were shipping precompiled binaries with the EA branches for the patrons, they were actually using the people that paid them for testing lol.
If you used linux there was even an Aur package that built yuzu ea for you, which I quickly stopped using because EA was just the equivalent of the testing repo of archlinux, if you ever read their updates on their main discord, half the time the next EA release just removed a PR that broke something after release.
Progress reports timed suspiciously close to major Nintendo first-party releases
They only made progress reports once a month lol, and iirc the progress report for totk was several weeks after release even.
Its presence on the OFFICIAL Android play store rather than an apk competes with Nintendo’s own Android games (undermining both those and the Switch)
Nothing wrong here, even dolphin has a official apk on the playstore, and yuzu actually even released a non playstore apk for people like me with an ungoogled phone lol.
Extensive telemetry, itself juicy data that could be sold for advertisers, on top of Nintendo’s own built-in telemetry that’s also sent
Bullshit, their logs only contain info about the hardware, which is something you need to debug lol, Ryu logs are the same.
ATTEMPTED to make a competitor to the Switch Online service, using files from an external preservation group, and it would have been a PAID service, and the subscription MORE EXPENSIVE than Nintendo’s actual service (it was $60 something) despite smaller compatibility, for games still online, as a CLOSED-SOURCE FORK of a GPL PROJECT so that players don’t actually set up their own custom servers to avoid paying Yuzu’s pittance. When there was backlash, they REMOVED all traces of online emulation after they couldn’t profit off it.
Very few of those are legally problematic, pretty much just the imagery, possibly GPL issues (but Nintendo wouldn’t have standing for those), and due to copyright weirdness 3rd party online services for games which still have active online services (it shouldn’t be, but that’s how it’s been interpreted)
Not enough for Nintendo to be able to force the project to stop, but they didn’t want to fight it in court I assume
Yeah their problem was to make it a commercial operation. At that point it’s trivial for Nintendo to show they’ve enriched themselves on the back of ripped ROMs by enabling them.
Whereas if you do everything for free and don’t even accept donations, they’d have a big problem showing that you have any commercial interest and hence can be sued for damages.
Same as any other type of internet piracy. I don’t give money to some guy ripping his movies or games.
The only way to do things like this is anonymously for the shits and giggles. A Patreon to make it their job is one thing, but the fact that they can pay $2.4million shows it went beyond that.
Yeah fuck that. That’s unsustainable and will only result in the end of piracy. We should feel bad for being leechers forever, imo. And we should strive to assist the causes we believe in, however we can.
On a similar note, I struggle to reconcile my contempt of Russian/Chinese policies with my adoration and support for piracy and the brave souls that maintain all the big projects we enjoy/rely on.
Reverse engineering software (and even using small bits of proprietary code when required) in order to make it compatible with other hardware is fully legal (tons of precedent, for emulation specifically see Sega v Accolade and Sony v Connectix), and selling emulators commercially is also fully legal (Sega v Connectix was about a commercial Playstation emulator for the Mac, Sony v Bleem was about a commercial emulator for the PC and Dreamcast)
Nintendo’s legal claims against Yuzu are completely untested and dubious at best, it’s the threat of spending millions of dollars on lawyers that’s very real and effective, they are yet again simply weaponizing the courts and the DMCA like all the other corpo scum before them
Of course it’s selfish bullshit with these assholes… They could try to buy one of these programs, or hire the devs so maybe they could (checks notes) offer games to PC players that pirate them because we refuse to buy multiple hundred dollar consoles for one goddamn game.
But why do that? You could just get a one time payment and then do it all again when the next emulator comes along… Assholes
Bleem was also paid software. I think people are forgetting that, at the time, downloading software over the Internet wasn’t super common. Software was distributed with discs. In a box. At the store. Which sold things. For money.
Not really. I run a smaller emulation project (based out of Canada and have paid my fair share in preemptive lawyers who have all told me despite taking literally zero donations, the not for profit I set up can be can be sued for $$$ per player/download I get
Well yeah but the existence of a not-for-profit means that there’s some kind of benefit being provided to some class of people. If someone elses IP is involved in that and you’re not paying for it then they might give you a cease and desist even if there’s no money.
I don’t care very much. You’re the one telling the story but not providing any information.
The existence of a not-for-profit implies there’s some value somewhere. If there’s no value then you don’t need the structure.
Tell any lawyer or CPA that you have a not-for-profit involved in intellectual property infringement and they will tell you the NFP is liable on that basis.
Thanks again for your inaccurate comment. I’m not sure why you insist on telling me to ask lawyers about things I literally said I paid lawyers for in my parent comment.
I’ve talked with lawyers who helped me navigate the subject, and spent over 1,000$ in fees to do so. What you said again, is false. Having a not for profit means neither myself nor my contributors can be easily punished directly for our work (excluding some logic about piercing the corporate veil, which is highly unlikely). The whole idea of legal entities is so they can take the legal risk and fall for risky business activities. The not for profit may fold and go bankrupt if sued, but that outcome is hundreds of times better than me being personally sued.
It’s how legality in regards to something like emulators works. Emulation is not illegal, but profiteering from games being ripped and played without a legal license is. Which Yuzu did.
No, that’s also not how it works. Reverse engineering and making a profit from your clone is legal. Breaking DRM for compatibility reasons is in fact exempted and legal too. Nintendos argument is that they broke DRM for piracy, but the tools can still be legal and legal precedence supports that
Just FYI, Nintendo has always behaved this way. You can find stories about Nintendo suing and shutting down rom distributors for as long as roms have existed. They’ve also completely shut down several fan-made Pokémon games and tried going after rom hackers. They’ve also had a very long history of keeping their IPs completely exclusive to their platform and of reselling the same game on multiple platforms instead of allowing for backwards compatibility.
I just made this decision and ended up getting an EM780, it’s a gaming APU PC that fits in the palm of your hand and uses an improved version of the chip in the steam deck.
Nintendo has ALWAYS aggressively pursued IP infringement, it’s not out of greed but rather that if they don’t, Japanese IP law means they might lose the exclusive rights.
Anyone part of the oldschool emulation scene knows this. This isn’t a new thing, and its not them being slimy.
As a reminder, Nintendo could, at any time, simply make their games available on other platforms, but instead they expect you to spend $300 on a piece of hardware you don’t need or want, and have to carry this extra piece of hardware around with you, and have a shitty experience to boot with their fuckin’ 12-year-old processors. But they don’t because they’re greedy fucks.
Seriously, especially with all of the early leaks. That person was so self-important they decided to try to get Nintendo to take Yuzu down; it makes sense that they would also think they were the ones that caused it when Nintendo finally took action.
Exactly. People seem to think this is some short-term development, but you can bet that ever sinze Yuzu created it’s LLC Nintendo was fully, 100%, planning on doing this, it was just the lawyers figuring out how to word things exactly so that it is completely bulletproof.
Japan has some pretty convoluted IP laws, if Nintendo doesn’t aggressively pursue ANY whiff of IP infringement, they might lose their exclusive rights. From what I hear this mainly has to do with bios and copy protection technology.
So hypothetically, if it can be proven that Nintendo is aware of an infringer and does nothing, then they might lose their protections.
I think it is more likely that both policies arose from a fundamental aspect of Japanese culture that has persisted through the ages, flowers from the same tree, so to speak.
Good point. I added yuzu-emu.org and all its subdomains to my custom blocklist in adguard for now. Alternatively you can put yuzu-emu.org, api.yuzu-emu.org and profile.yuzu-emu.org on your host file to block them.
You can’t officially download it anymore. If you’re familiar with compiling things, there are backup forks everywhere, though. A lovely Lemming posted an archive.org link to download the last builds in other comments here.
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