Because propaganda is something else. We have a term for them, "morenazis" (something like brown-skin nazis").
One of the reasons I got so bored with Reddit is that in the largest sub of my country, r/Colombia, there's a clusterfuck of right-wing neckbeards obsessed with politics who truly believe the world and the country is as they learn from it from social media (not only from Twitter or Facebook, but even from Reddit and 4chan themselves) and live inside a bubble, most probably protected by mommy and daddy. I recall those morons making fun of people watching open air TV because they think everybody should be watching streaming services, in a country where about half of the people don't have access to the internet, another chunk don't even have a TV and there's people with no access to electricity at all. Hell, at this very moment there are kids dying from hunger. At the time I left they even created at least a couple more subs to openly ventilate their stupidity, r/ColombiaReddit and r/ChomposCol.
So, it's kind of privileged and near-sighted people with the IQ of a potato blaming less fortunate people for issues their class have caused in the first place.
As someone from Latin-America, I think this happens for a number of reasons, including:
The legacy of colonialism: The spanish caste system left a strong imprint on latin american culture tha hasn’t disappeared yet. This basically boils down to: Ligth skin good, dark skin bad. T
Right-wing propaganda through the internet: The terms “SJW”, “Woke” “Forced diversity” and whatnot have become very widespread in the hispanic internet. You can go to any hispanic forum and you will find people complainig about “wokies ruinning their videogames/movies, etc”
US-backed anti-socialist propaganda: The US pretty much killed all leftist movements in Hispanic-america during their infancy. When it didn’t kill them, it still acted with hostility towards them. On the contrary, far-right movements were tolerated if not supported directly. This has created the perfect environment for the far-right to prosper.
There are probably other reasons, but these are almos certainly involved
The amount of batshit crazy rightwing movements globablly but especially in central america and south america the US has supported over more moderate governments is mindblowing and it makes me want to vomit.
This is so old, I remember when most people’s memories of Adolf crimes were still really fresh, Idi Amin put up a statue of Hitler. en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Idi_Amin
I once suddenly saw a Harley motorcycle parked in central Mexico in front of a bar. It was painted. It had swastikas all over, a buste painting of Hitler on the gas tank and a whole lot more third riech shit.
I decided to wait out the Arian asshole that would take it for a spin but imagine my surprise when this tiny very dark skinned indigenous guy somewhere in his 50s walks out wearing a jacket with Goebels painted on the back, he jumpy up the motor cycle and takes off.
The guy would have been at the front of the line to the showers, but whatever. I’m always really impressed with people not knowing basic history.
Reminds me as well, I once saw (also in a Mexican store) mein kampf right next to Anne Frank’s diary, “because they’re about the same subject matter”
Did I mention that one time while playing paintball with mexican police, one of the officers takes off his shirt and he’s full American history X with the swastika and some SS tattoos on his chest?
Yeah mexico needs to uppen it’s education about WWII
It’s not that surprising. I have this same feeling with other Hispanics when they’re Catholic. Like you know why you’re Catholic right? The ones that weren’t were murdered, tortured, or jumped off cliffs.
I live in Canada. We live in a community that is very close to a large reservation. The volume of extremely religious Catholic natives is astounding. You know that religion has helped exterminate your race for hundreds of years. Damn.
Can confirm. Racism and classism are both very subtle but very present in my country. I’ve had people deny it or pass it off as something else after saying some racist shit.
I wouldn’t say most, but there’s still a relevant part of the country that thinks that way. However, the young Spaniard generations are way more radicalised to the left, maybe to be reactionary. In any case, all the left powers have united quite tightly against the extreme right, so there’s that I guess.
Hitler didn’t have a problem with ethnicities that he would not have considered “Aryan” as long as they stayed out of Europe. That was his thing, he wanted Europe to be an Aryan ethnostate.
That’s not how fascists work there must always be an enemy, once he cleared Europe he would have withered continued on taking the rest of the world and/or cleansing the rest of Europe first slavs than he would have moved on his allies too, Hungarians would have been a target too, it doesn’t matter, whiteness and Aryanness is arbitrary
Spanish people were the first Europeans to colonize the Americas, setting the precedent for the violence and discrimination which has continued for the last 500 years.
The longest lasting Fascist country in Europe was Spain, which was fascist from 1939-1975.
I bet the 1975 Spaniards remembered the 1974 Portuguese. But also, when I told a neighbor I was honeymooning in Portugal I was asked “Where is that? Is it part of Spain?” So yeah, it’s a lot of folks out there who don’t remember Portugal.
There are always members of marginalized groups that try and align with what they see as the way to get ahead, so even if that group sees them as less, it’s still better than the ethnic group they belong to is seen by that hate group.
Look at POC in groups like the Proud Boys for example.
Fascists will court any group they can when they’re desperate for supporters, even if it’s from groups of people they hate. Fascists will do anything that will get them into power.
After that, it’s a simple matter of purging the “undesirables” from the party.
Spanish people are Europeans; all native Europeans are considered white. Hispanics are people who have Spanish heritage but born elsewhere, and are still considered white. Unless they are Latino, then that means they are mixed with Native Americans [South &/or North America] or black Caribbean enslaved ancestors.
bro the native whites of England weren’t even considered white. Gypsies were often written about as being “worse than blacks,” as were the irish, scots, polacks, etc. “unless they’re latino” fuckin igno, man.
Right. “Latino” means different things in different countries. Isabel Allende once wrote something to the effect that upon immigrating to the US from Chile, she was surprised to learn that she was no longer “white,” and instead was “latina.”
not going to break down every flaw in this, but… black Caribbean enslaved ancestors?
no, more african slaves were brought directly to south america than to north america…
it’s actually much closer
The Association of German National Jews, colloquially known as the “Jews for Hitler”, was a German Jewish organization during the Weimar Republic and the early years of Nazi Germany that eventually came out in support of Adolf Hitler. The organization was founded by Max Naumann, who was sent to a concentration camp after the rise of Hitler.
Cubans in Florida pushing for Trump was not on my bingo card, for sure.
I also remember seeing “general chat lobby” spammers switching from the boilerplate racism tropes to Portuguese and learning about Brazilian troll farms.
A lot of Miami-based Cubans are VERY anti anything socialist/communist. All you’ve really got to do is say you’re fighting “those socialists trying to take over” and it’s a tragically easy way to win that vote.
Source: My own family/life experience growing up in Miami
The “dictatorship of the proletariat” is just a stupid name for the transitional period. It’s not supposed to be an actual dictatorship, but unfortunately Marx was a little drama queen from time to time…
No, Marx was right; there’s no way to do it without a dictatorship. There is no universe in which everyone miraculously agrees on how things should be run, and that means that coercion is necessary which in turn means that there has to be centralized and concentrated power, ie; an authoritarian dictatorship.
The experiment has been run before and we know how it ends.
I think there is a universe where groups of people in specific regions all agree enough on how things should be run. And then, those groups have enough success to help convince other groups and regions to agree. We kind of see this happening now, with countries that have adopted Socialist policies setting examples.
A lot of the established Cuban community in Miami are the children of wealthy Cubans who fled during the revolution. So yeah they fled communism but maybe not for the reason you meant.
The country hadn’t been communist for 60 years when they fled though, they weren’t fleeing poverty. They were mostly pro-Batista affluent people and corrupt government officials who went into exile in Florida expecting to return when Castro was overthrown. Castro was never overthrown, so they stayed.
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