The only things Republicans give a fuck about is staying in power and keeping as much money for the ultrawealthy as possible. Everything else is smoke and mirrors.
I’m glad I left the US to have my son born in the Czech Republic (his mother is Czech). Education is better. Health care is better. My employer at the time provided paid paternal leave!
“Children in the US can be legally married in 41 states, physically punished by school administrators in 47 states, sentenced to life without parole in 22 states, and work in hazardous agriculture conditions in all 50 states.” Over and over again, the worst states for children are clustered around the “pro-life” Bible Belt, and the map of the states that are the worst for children looks a lot like a map of red-state America. (Liberal states, too, have a long ways to go when it comes to protecting kids, but they generally do a bit better.)
Physical punishment in schools is still a thing??? I had to endure that back in the 90s, but I thought for sure people would have figured out better ways to discipline kids by now.
I got paddled in 4th grade (late 80s) for saying “bastard”. Wasn’t screaming it, wasn’t calling someone else a bastard, I just said it and I got two whacks for it. Yeah, that was fucking draconian.
It’s for the children though, think about the children!! /s
The one thing I’ll disagree with is, if a kid murders their entire family, they should never be allowed to roam free. It’s perfectly acceptable to say “this person is broken and cannot ever exist in society” with a crime like murder.
So, you’d rather a person go free who has committed horrible acts because there is a chance they can change… knowing that innocent people could be killed and lives could be ruined?
Okay, so what should the punishment be for a 10 year old who planned to kill his mother, father, and three siblings for months before acting on it? Details: No abuse. Premeditated. No stated reason. Guilty plea.
Why are you so hung up on their being "a punishment".
You're coming up with these outlandish hypotheticals to justify your seeming desire to see ...children... retributively harmed.
Do we not at least agree in theory the at least ostensibe purpose of corrections is ...correction?
Do we agree that is the goal and should be worked toward in all cases?
Starting from the position a person CAN be rehabilitated, do you agree from the point a person is rehabilitated there is no reason to lock them up?
Do you reject that notion and believe a person who no longer thinks nor acts the way that lead them to commit harmful acts—just presume momentarily that's possible—should still remain locked up?
If the second, would you mind explaining what utility you feel that serves.? Leaving reformed people locked up.
I can’t continue the conversation if you’re not going to answer the question. It wasn’t hypothetical. I think maybe you’re upset because you can see I’ll paint you into a corner pretty quick. You’re all happy to let a criminal off the hook, but you’re not willing to talk about how that will impact others. The reality of the situation.
I'd be more than happy if you wouldn't continue so don't threaten me with a good time.
How is discussing hypotheticals you've provided no evidence of existing in any way discussing reality?
I asked you what you thought the purpose of corrections even was but you can't even muster that much without blabbering on about Elijah Wood's character in Sin City.
What is the utility incarcerating a reformed individual?
Save slave labor (which is fucked) what is gained by society by keeping a person locked up?
I was blabbering about my nephew who killed my sister, her husband, and their other kids. They let him out early and he killed some random person on the street in a fight. He’s in jail where he should be now-for the rest of his life. If he ever gets out I’ll kill him myself.
I sincerely hope you get to experience my own pain. Goodbye.
I just cannot fathom where your mind is at that you think a person should be allowed to continue a normal life after killing multiple people and then repeating it. I’d reckon you’ve killed someone yourself?
By your standards, I could go out right now and kill someone, say I won’t ever do it again and not be punished at all, then repeat the process.
Again, I hope you have the opportunity to experience such a loss in your family. I’d be curious if you have as much empathy after it.
Well, then you’ve not been a victim. I can tell you that when my nephew got put back in prison for life, it was incredibly satisfying. Not only would he finally be held responsible for his crimes against humanity, but he would never be able to hurt anyone again.
It was someone like you who argued for his release, and someone like you who got another person killed. Honestly, I think that person—like you—should have been held responsible for the post-release murder, after going to such lengths to free him.
Btw, I saw that person years later. I said, “are you happy?” They couldn’t even muster an apology. I imagine you’d be much the same. Never admitting they were wrong. Never acknowledging that their actions are what led to disaster.
Really? Here I thought salivating to see children locked in cages forever was what marked a person filth.
To be clear: I do not believe your story about your nephew.
I think you are a liar.
If your story is factual (which again, I doubt) then you are clearly hurt, and I wish healing on you as much as on your nephew.
While you're still raw and swimming in rivers of rage maybe you shouldn't be establishing corrections policy.
My take is that if a kid does something that extreme it has probably been forced to work from a very young age, beaten up at home and at school and raped from a very young age.Then been forcefully married and having the rapists child. Just taking some excerpts from the article. Where I live the scenario of a kid killing its own family who’s under the age of 18-20 is unthinkable. Kids must be protected at all costs. Both a good and a bad upbringing will stay with you all your life and shape you for better or worse. I’ve worked with addicts and kids in institutions for many years. There are almost no happy childhoods there.
I imagine that information would be considered during the trail and the charges would be decreased, given a history of abuse. But, in the case that it isn’t that…
Also Republican states have consistently reported higher CSA rates over the past two decades, and a survey of tens of thousands people showed that conservatives are also just more likely to say they are pedophiles.
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