Yeah I don't think Hamas is any threat to us in any serious way. But I do think so called "Christian" and Maga ethics of banning books, hurting others, limiting people's healthcare rights, and taking away social programs is doing more damage to our country than any third-world outside terrorists could ever dream of being capable of doing. Like most countries, America has failed, and is crumbling away from within. Ignorance is the real threat to our continued existence.
You don’t need to be nuanced about it. MAGA extremists have actually killed people on American (and Canadian) soil, planned bombings, and attempted to overthrow the government.
And particularly chilling: they have the police on their side. When the maggots all show up at your neighborhood or place of work to vandalize and harass and assault, the cops will arrive late and they will be turned to face against you
Well - and don't take this as criticism - I'm very much allied with the police in most situations. I've seen instances were our local police have gone after MAGA extremists, so I've seen a different side of it. They shot and killed a man here (in Utah) who had threatened to target Biden when he visited us. What I've found is, if I'm not doing anything criminal I usually am not bothered by the police. Our local police walk kids home safely from school and help out families in need here.
“Has the White House considered the possibility that a terrorist could be in the country right now after crossing the southern border?”
What a bullshit question. The core question is valid, “Has the White House considered the possibility that a terrorist could be in the country right now."
But the rest is a bullshit political talking point, “…after crossing the southern border?”
As if we only have one method for a terrorist to get in. Nevermind the northern border, the shores, air flights, and then the truly scary threat that the terrorists were born here and are citizens. But, screw all that, WhAt AbOUt tHe MeXiCaNs!?
This framing shows that the asker has more interest in building support for a Republican talking point into the coming elections than giving a shit about terrorist threats within our borders (all of them).
Wtf dude. Are you serious? First of all, no it didn’t. They never targeted people, even when things got bad. They targeted buildings at worst.
Second, “terrorism” isn’t the issue. Cops use “terrorism.” Terrorism is just when methods normally reserved for the state are used by other groups. It’s what they’re trying to accomplish that matters. If they’re trying to enforce their fundamentalist religious ideals, it’s bad. If they’re trying to promote something most people would call good, then it’s good.
The American Revolutionaries aren’t called terrorists. They’re usually called “patriots” or “freedom fighters” because they won. Most people think all actions taken were good, because they were working towards something we generally see as good. Terrorism is just a set of tools the establishment wants to reserve for itself.
If only saying like that actually made them true. Oh, I wish I lived in your simplistic world…
You don’t need three paragraphs to make your point. You’d likely need far more. Refusing to actually defend your position informs me more that you haven’t thought about it enough to defend it though. You’ve heard someone else say they’re terrorists and took their word on it without considering why that would be true or not.
Most of the protests nothing happened. Frequently, cops targeted them and antagonize them. Sometimes cops infiltrated them and acted as agent provocateur to get people to commit these acts (there is video evidence of this).
Regardless, it doesn’t undermine anything. Any sufficiently large group will have these things happen even without provocation. It doesn’t change the fact that there are fundamental issues that still haven’t been addressed.
Calling every group you don’t like terrorists doesn’t tell you anything. In the civil rights era, MLK’s peaceful protests were frequently called riots because people who benefitted from the status quo didn’t like them. Meanwhile police were beating them, shooting them with fire-hoses (or worse), and doing whatever they could to them and they weren’t called terrorists because they are the state.
Terrorism is a loaded word intended to draw an emotional response. It doesn’t give any information on the morality or legitimacy of a group. Discuss their actions and their goals if you like. The word terrorism is mostly useless.
Riots are not terrorism. Terrorism is a specific type of tactic used by organized groups to wage asymmetric warfare against a state actor whereas rioting is a spontaneous type of crowd violence that can be motivated by a number of different factors from sports to politics to religion or racism/ethnic tension.
You want to blur the distinction between the two because like terrorism BLM scares you and is therefore “bad,” but that’s not a good reason to throw away what is in fact a meaningful difference.
If you need more evidence that rioting and terrorism are not the same thing, you need only look at the fact that law enforcement takes very different approaches in how it seeks to prevent rioting vs terrorism. Were they essentially somehow the same thing, this would not be the case.
The warning from the FBI was not about potential for attacks by Hamas, it was about attacka against America that might be carried out by Islamic extremists potentially from anywhere in the world. Basically, the word is that they’re hearing more chatter about attacking American in the homeland than at any time since September 11th.
This I thought was in response to people on the right dear mongering about how dangerous Hamas is, and reminding Americans that people riding around the desert in pickup trucks with rocket launchers are not and never will be an existential threat to America.
You know, most of these violent extremists want America out of the middle east, usually with reference to Saudi Arabia and Israel. They are religious fanatics, and right now it’s more or less about America’s patronage of Israel which people from which version of sky daddy get to control the hours of operation and P.A. announcements at each other’s shared holy sites. More or less.
Hamas, over in Palestine, focused on Israel occupation of Palestine vs American conservative Christians on American soil. Comparing how big of a threat they’re to the US seems weird. It’s a comparison that I wouldn’t have thought about
You have to be young because post 9/11 the us was filled with fears that the biggest threat to our safety was Islamic terrorists. Understandably due to the scale of the attacks, but that’s why it’s important to point out to us citizens that our own terrorists are a bigger threat to us than those across an ocean.
I apologize for the assumption, but we are talking about American politics and sentiments, so it probably would have been prudent to point out that the fact you didn’t think about the comparison might be because you aren’t American. As an American who was an adult when 9/11 happened, it’s seems pretty obvious.
Can I ask how old you are? I only do so because I “remember” things like the challenger explosion, but didn’t quite grasp what it fully meant because I was so young.
It’s totally a perspective thing. Being a full on adult (well as much as an early 20 year old can be. Lol) it seems like a no brainer that they would make this comparison based on how much the fear was at that time that Islamic terrorists were all over the country ready to kill people at random. I can easily see why someone younger from another country might not be as aware of that
However, even at that time, I believe, right wing terrorists still had killed more over a period of something like 20 years, even with the 3k from 9/11.
The title is 100% correct. The FBI rated homegrown terrorism from radicalized right wing a bigger threat way back under the Bush regime, even. And of course the cons got all butthurt about this simple fact.
Yeah but Al-Qaeda was ranting about attacking the USA for years and had actually already done terror acts by 9/11
Hamas basically doesn’t exist outside Israel. Technically, they’re Hezbollah’s little brother according to the US. They really only care about whatever happens in Gaza. Kind of like the Taliban in Afghanistan
Ya if only our intelligence agencies spent more time looking for terrorists and not trying to overthrow brown peoples governments or trying to root out “socialist.”
It honestly worries me how many people roll their eyes when you say this. When it’s blatantly fucking obvious. Where are all the patriots to scream " THE SEPARATION OF CHURCH AND STATE IS THERE FOR A FUCKIN REASON"
Because MAGAs deny they’ve aligned themselves with religious extremists because Gregg who goes to church every Sunday likes football and guns so he’s probably not a fascist.
They truly unironically believe that America is a Christian nation and intended to be one by the founding fathers. I don’t know how they believe something with such a massive contradiction as if that’s the case why is separation of church and state something the founding fathers included. Doesn’t have to make sense to people living in reality.
Well, ironically just like with the bible, they pick and choose on that one. For example, 2A is considered to be a natural law equivalent to gravity by them, but the founding fathers also intended for the constitution to grow and change and be amended (eg: the ‘A’ in ‘2A’) but that doesn’t ever really come up…
I always think of this comedian pointing out the irony. IT’S CALLED AN AMENDMENT!!! The 2A group make me sick. And I don’t mean people who support it in general or like guns or whatever but… the people who make it their identity, the key issue.
What? Like THAT is what American rights are to you? Getting to own a mini cannon??
The red scare propaganda really didn’t help by putting, “In God we trust,” on the dollar bill and the, “[one nation,] under God,” part in the pledge allegiance.
That’s just the thing- they’ve got church-funded groups churning out historical revisionism in which the Framers were really trying to found a Biblical version of Sparta but the wicked usurpers got power and ruined it with their War of Northern Aggression
Reality? LOL they’re trying to replace reality with their version, which tells you to bend your contemporary knee to them
I suspect if you paraphrased or converted to more generalized language things like Sharia law and what the ChristoFascists want, they wouldn’t be able to tell them apart.
It helps if you have a southern accent while you say it. " oh so you just wanna give the state more power huh? You want em to have a say in our damn RELIGION?! Your the commie friend ".
It’s like people forgot all the men, women and children McVeigh and Nichols killed. And just ignore all that came after. They fucking assassinated Dr Tiller, at his church on a Sunday morning. As he filled duties as an usher. Simply because they didn’t view him as the right kind of Christian. The assassin is still celebrated to this day in their circles.
My mom is sweet and is a good grandmother, but politically she’s completely brainwashed and driven by irrational fear. I’m genuinely glad your mother hasn’t fallen for the same shit.
We hope it’s the last breath of the religious right. If they succeed in imposing minority rule by invalidating any election they lose, then we could be dealing with them for a long time.
They currently control the lower house in the legislature and the Speaker of the House, 2nd in line for the presidency, is a lunatic that is one of the the worst.
They also control the Supreme Court. The fact that all it took for one geriatric woman to die is all it took for them to overturn over 50 years of reproductive rights for women in the U.S.
To paraphrase Tom Clancy: These fucking lunatics are a clear and present danger to everyone in the United States. They will not go away any time soon.
Add comment