britt,
@britt@mstdn.games avatar

Seeing folks from Insomniac, Blizzard, and Obsidian attack Baldur's Gate 3 for the way they released the game REALLY makes me want to buy it out of principle.

Why are they picking on this game and didn't do so with the likes of a game like Elden Ring?

I'm grumpy about this, lol.

wagesof,

@britt "if you make games for player's enjoyment and not just to extract maximum money from them they'll realize that corporate AAA games are shit. Stop making us look bad by making games for players and not shareholders!" - giant corporate game publishers

britt,
@britt@mstdn.games avatar

@wagesof 100000000% this.

Shout this from the rooftops. 🎤

Pixelmixery,

@britt "we have better quality because we target ROI, not player experience." is the vibes I'm getting...

sentientsponge,
@sentientsponge@mastodon.social avatar

@britt This sort of developer complaining sounds a lot like saying you're bitter you can't make a game as good as BG3, which should almost certainly be GotY by a wide margin. It's a hell of an accomplishment on so many levels. I hope it pays off.

britt, (edited )
@britt@mstdn.games avatar

I'm going to leave this video right here... I invite you to watch the entire (nearly) 20 minutes.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=63le3y2kjlI

WanderingInDigitalWorlds,
@WanderingInDigitalWorlds@mstdn.games avatar

@britt If they had released on Xbox like I was hoping, this would've been an instant buy! I feel like Blizzard, Obsidian, and Insomniac folks are attacking this due to envy. That's not a good look for any of those people.

blitzgott,

@britt Other studios projecting, wishing they had made this game. Honestly, this looks incredible. TOTK, BOTW, Eldin Ring, this, have all taught me an important lesson and that is that Im really okay with waiting for several years for a good unique massive game rather than having a yearly assassin's creed samey experience every freaking year.

BrKloeckner,
@BrKloeckner@piaille.fr avatar

@blitzgott @britt THIS. And also, regarding Elden Ring and BG3, the liberty of smaller studios that got fame through a few dedicated games combines well with AAA development if that liberty is respected. Let's hope the big actors learn this lesson. Less big games, better big games would be great.

geekgyrl,
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@britt

Maybe I haven’t been paying attention, but what was their issue with the release?

britt,
@britt@mstdn.games avatar

@geekgyrl I wish I had a novel to lay everything out… but they’re basically saying “don’t expect this from us” …

Quotes like, “it’s Rockstar-level nonsense for scope” and that the game shouldn’t be a “raised standard” in the RPG realm. Or, “only a few studios could ever try this”.

And wait for it… “this is atypical for the games industry…”

Maybe it shouldn’t be? 💭

geekgyrl,
@geekgyrl@masto.ai avatar

@britt

See, now that makes me want to play it on principle, too. Why wouldn't you want to deliver a fully fleshed out game that folks enjoy?

Chigaze,
@Chigaze@mstdn.ca avatar

@britt @geekgyrl Reading through things it sounds like their complaint is this games is really good and we can’t compete.

britt,
@britt@mstdn.games avatar

@Chigaze @geekgyrl That's the vibe I personally take from it as well -- and the decision to say the things they said about this particular game without saying it for others that pushed the boundaries like Elden Ring... honestly intrigues me.

AyotoCorp,
@AyotoCorp@mastodon.gamedev.place avatar

@britt Reminds me a little bit of when Elden Ring came out and some developers were complaining about the UI, or lack thereof.

britt,
@britt@mstdn.games avatar

@AyotoCorp good point!

hybridhavoc,
@hybridhavoc@darkfriend.social avatar

@britt is there something special about how they released the game?

britt,
@britt@mstdn.games avatar

@hybridhavoc compared to what we've seen over the last decade give or take? I'd absolutely say so. A fully complete RPG with 17,000 various endings, no microtransactions, no DLC, no battle pass, no BS. It's really neat.

A nice little throwback, if I may. :)

hybridhavoc,
@hybridhavoc@darkfriend.social avatar

@britt I mean that doesn't sound like something they would be attacking?

britt,
@britt@mstdn.games avatar

@hybridhavoc oddly... they have. There are lots of articles and videos about it out there. That's how I found out about it and it really made me go... wait... what?

I'm trying to understand.

BlueCrew86,

@britt @hybridhavoc I just appreciate the snark that they included in the explanation of why they aren't including any of the nonsense, lol.

hybridhavoc,
@hybridhavoc@darkfriend.social avatar

@britt all good, just read an article about it

https://80.lv/articles/developers-believe-baldur-s-gate-3-shouldn-t-be-raised-standard-for-rpgs/

None of that seems like an attack though? Just seems like people in the industry talking about the monumental task that making a game that good is.

britt,
@britt@mstdn.games avatar

@hybridhavoc I personally find a lot of what was said to be quite inflammatory.

See also: https://mstdn.games/@britt/110846106725816232

and a reply I just boosted.

I’m not trying to argue, I just find the posturing by these studios very interesting.

hybridhavoc,
@hybridhavoc@darkfriend.social avatar

@britt gonna have to agree to disagree. Maybe I'm just drama averse, I don't read any of that as anything but praising.

ramsey,
@ramsey@phpc.social avatar

@hybridhavoc @britt They’re basically saying, “BG3 is so far ahead of us, we won’t be able to keep up, so don’t expect that level of effort from us.” 🤣

britt,
@britt@mstdn.games avatar

@ramsey @hybridhavoc That’s my understand from what I’ve read/watched about it too.

Interesting take, for sure.

dreadfulsanity,
@dreadfulsanity@mstdn.games avatar

@britt @hybridhavoc I swear, the ways multiple ways to tackle something in this game are incredible. So many "wait, you can do that?" moments, and I'm still running around in act 1.

kinsale42,
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  • britt,
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    @kinsale42 Found one of many articles that I've read about it... I've been stewing on it for a bit... haha.

    https://gameworldobserver.com/2023/07/12/baldurs-gate-3-new-standard-for-rpg-genre-opinions

    Don't want to stir anything with my post... just saying that I find it intriguing the way other Devs are reacting to the game.

    dreadfulsanity,
    @dreadfulsanity@mstdn.games avatar

    @britt @kinsale42 Wait... am I reading this first paragraph right? "Yeah, you cannot expect others to bring out quality games, that's not how this works"?

    I mean, sure. Smaller, more inexperienced studios may bring out less polished games, but we player usually know that. It's when big studios bring out games on a small studio level that costs a pretty penny that we're like "Wait a minute..." That's when we get miffed.

    Or am I getting something wrong here? 🤔

    kinsale42,
    @kinsale42@mstdn.games avatar

    @dreadfulsanity @britt what I get is they are jealous of the resources and time Baldur's Gate had and they're worried that their games, made in less time with fewer people, will be written off as bad.

    It's like saying every film has to be on the scale of Peter Jackson's Lord of the Rings. It's obviously not realistic and most people can recognize that.

    britt,
    @britt@mstdn.games avatar

    @kinsale42 @dreadfulsanity This is a solid takeaway from the public statements, imho. Thanks for joining in on the discussion.

    dreadfulsanity,
    @dreadfulsanity@mstdn.games avatar

    @britt @kinsale42 I have all the patience in the world with small studios. And even with big ones, because I realize that the ones making the games aren't the ones screwing them up. I have less patience with the suits min-maxing their profits. I really wish that studios would get the resources to make great games instead of a suit getting a multi-million payout for... something.

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