RL_Dane, (edited )
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Just ordered a new phone (Pixel 7), and it's coming first thing in the morning.

Which De-g**gled ROM should I pick?

Please vote AND comment why.

Thanks!

me,

@RL_Dane Why did you censor de-Googled?

RL_Dane,
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@me

No reason. XD

Kinda because google has become a bad name, so I'm treating it like a "bad word" ;)

zlatiah,

@RL_Dane huh I can't vote from the phone app lol... but anyways

I use GrapheneOS, I think everything works & there is sandboxed Google Play if I need it. This is a very subjective opinion but this is the only custom OS I have successfully used so... 😂

RL_Dane,
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@zlatiah

Experience is just as valuable as a supposedly unbiased opinion.

How do you keep things safe when you have to use apps like google apps or (eww) social apps?

On , I'd use the work profile, but that's kind of limited.

zlatiah,

@RL_Dane I... use very few mobile apps, so at the moment none of them uses Gapps

But yeah, GrapheneOS has specifically designed a sandboxed Google Play to deal with those nonsense. Should be safe enough

For me at least the biggest issue is actually downloading the apps in the first place: getting Aurora Store to work properly is a pain, and I don't want to use the official Google Play app

RL_Dane,
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@zlatiah

Yeah, they're fighting an arms race against goog's throttling.

Obtanium can automatically download from apkpure, but I'm not sure I trust that site. :/

sotolf,

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    @sotolf

    Not sure which that would be. I'm guessing Graphene is the quickest on security updates.

    sotolf,

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    @sotolf

    You should try a degoogled ROM some time.

    My Pixel 7 is only $450 right now, the same price as the 7a (they're clearing out old stock).
    You can get a couple year old pixel for around $300, and it'll still have three years of support. Maybe one extra year if you use the right ROM.

    sotolf,

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    @sotolf

    Well, that's fair. If it's still working well for you and you only paid $100 for it, I'd say you've won in every category but privacy, and even there, there's always little things you can do to make things better or worse.
    All-or-nothing thinking doesn't help anyone.

    You might look at something like the Pocophone for your next purchase. They're usually quite affordable, and supported by at least LineageOS.

    ...

    RL_Dane,
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    @sotolf

    ...

    If you want help finding some good options when you're shopping for another phone (whenever that might be), hit me up.

    Also, if you're not using a VPN, look up Tracker Control on F-Droid. It pretends to be a VPN (basically just a loopback tunnel) and can filter out a lot of crap and trackers.

    That's what I have right now on my little Nokia.

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    @sirber

    Never tried it (30+ years of taking the piss out of Microsoft doesn't go away in a day), but I know that a lot of people were very fond of it, more so than windows desktop.

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    @sirber

    I know. And I'm in too much of a good mood, so I had to flip the tables on you. ;)

    jwestall_com,

    @RL_Dane Calyx had micro g services pre-installed so you get a privacy respecting alternative to Google services instead of just not having them.

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    @jwestall_com

    Yeah, I ran Calyx on my 4a 5G and really liked it. I'm kind of interested in trying something new, if only for the experience.

    /e/OS looks cool because of its built-in tracker control, and Graphene looks interesting because of its heavy-duty sandboxing.

    CandyDumDub,

    @jwestall_com @RL_Dane GrapheneOS also has them, but within a container. It's an objective truth that the GrapheneOS is number 1 when it comes to security and privacy

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    @CandyDumDub @jwestall_com

    I thought it was an objective truth that a single man in possession of a good fortune must be in want of a wife?

    Sorry, that's Jane Austen. ;)

    CandyDumDub,

    @RL_Dane as someone who uses Pixel 7 with GrapheneOS, the choice is obvious to me. Installed it and never looked back

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    @CandyDumDub

    How do you handle apps that need google play services?

    I never quite understood/bought the argument that running native unprivileged google play is somehow better than MicroG, even if MicroG does run a little stub of google code. %)

    But I'm open to it. I've liked a lot, but I'm interested in trying another ROM that maybe has better sandboxing, or some built-in tracker control like /e/OS

    CandyDumDub,

    @RL_Dane why'd I need to "handle" it? All it means is that google has no privileges on my phone. I have full control over it. Why'd you want to give google more data than they need? It shall be treated as any other application. No sensor data, no geo data; nothing at all I'd say with "optimized" battery mode that won't work all the time. Do I get notifications? Yup, with no delays

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    @CandyDumDub

    Then you're handling it by running GSF, it sounds like.

    CandyDumDub,

    @RL_Dane I mean, GrapheneOS has an app to manage default apps (updating). And just one click to install Google Play. It has the same rights as any other app. Documentation is clear on that

    https://grapheneos.org/usage#sandboxed-google-play-installation

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    @CandyDumDub

    I think my hesitation with that is that I just don't know what I don't know about what GSF actually does, and the sneaky things it's capable of, even when running unprivileged.

    Is it possible to run it only in the work profile?

    CandyDumDub,

    @RL_Dane Ofc it's possible. Some people use it within one profile, some people like to separate everything completely. It's fine and is up to you

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    @CandyDumDub

    Cool beans. Thanks for the info. :)

    BTW, what happened to the always-on display? I rather liked that. :blobcatderpy:

    CandyDumDub,

    @RL_Dane Nothing changed in that front, AOSP has it

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    @CandyDumDub

    Ahh, thank you!

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