StillIRise1963,
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Homelessness means society has failed.

Billionaires mean society has failed.

val6bodie,

@StillIRise1963

I agree. I saw Colin Farrell the actor literally cry on talk show, as he talked about homelessness in L.A.
Chief Sitting Bull couldn't understand WHY white people had homeless. In NYC he gave of his own money to help them.
No country is ":great" that has homeless people, seems to me.

BlauerKlabauter, (edited )

@StillIRise1963
and yet, society blames the homeless for their "failure" and admires the billionaires for their "success" .. krank

TrtlPwr,

@StillIRise1963
Is failing.
Or has failed in most areas. Things can always get worse and we can work hard to make them better.

It’s a failure for sure, but all hope is not lost.

& it’s not empty hope either.

There are nations that had fascist coups who threw out the fascists through voting in socialists.

The world is what we make it.

So if it’s broken, then it’s time to bust out the tools and fix it.

We can do it.

We must do it.

Npars01,
@Npars01@mstdn.social avatar

@StillIRise1963

Homelessness is a policy choice.

Inflict years of stress, poverty, gun violence, malnutrition, manufactured economic recessions, housing scarcity, employment precarity, defunded public services, no medical care, mass death events, mass trauma, voter suppression, & toss in the Sacklers' monetization of substance abuse & addictions...then do some victim blaming...

Americans aren't going full fascist.

They're fed up with policy decisions made by the rich, for the rich.

iuculano,
@iuculano@masto.ai avatar

@StillIRise1963 both ends of the spectrum: failures

gnutelephony,

@StillIRise1963 the destruction of society is when only a few lives matter...

Gigi,
@Gigi@kolektiva.social avatar

@StillIRise1963

Counter:
Homelessness (and billionaires) means capitalism is working as it was designed.

Frankly, it means that ANY SYSTEM that posits that food and housing are not inherent rights, is working as designed.

StillIRise1963,
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@Gigi I'm not suggesting otherwise. I'm talking about our concept of the word "society." I'm not talking about the "system."

Gigi,
@Gigi@kolektiva.social avatar

@StillIRise1963

I don't know that we can extract the two.

You may have noticed that certain people, like the numbnuts I just responded to in this thread, only views societies in which it's EVEN POSSIBLE to have homelessness as "human history".

StillIRise1963,
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@Gigi I'm not talking about what is. I'm talking about what should be. That's what I meant. You're talking about something else. This isn't a debate. We were talking about different things. I don't disagree with what you're saying, it's just NOT WHAT I was talking about.

Gigi,
@Gigi@kolektiva.social avatar

@StillIRise1963

My point is ONLY that there have been societies where homelessness wasn't even a thing.

So it's not a question of "society", it's a question of THIS society.

That's all I'm saying.

StillIRise1963,
@StillIRise1963@mastodon.world avatar

@Gigi From my very first response, I said I agreed with you. What is this about?

Gigi,
@Gigi@kolektiva.social avatar

@StillIRise1963

We're not actually having an argument. I'm not sure why you are taking it as such.

StillIRise1963,
@StillIRise1963@mastodon.world avatar

@Gigi This is my one day off in a period of difficulty. All I want to do is relax. I'm not arguing with you, but I sense some type of resistance on your part to hearing what I'm saying to you. ☮️ ✊🏾

Gigi,
@Gigi@kolektiva.social avatar

@StillIRise1963

Possibly.
I understand your claim.
And I understand the poesy therein.

I just don't think that all human interactions necessarily end up in billionaires and unhoused people.

StillIRise1963,
@StillIRise1963@mastodon.world avatar

@Gigi Again, I did not suggest that in any way.

Gigi,
@Gigi@kolektiva.social avatar

@StillIRise1963

Well, we're just going to have to agree to disagree, then.

For me: When someone says "X means society failed" meaning "this particular society failed" and it's discussing a society based, among other things, on an illegitimate concept of land ownership based on theft, it's NOT actually failing.

This outcome is baked in.

santoperdido,

@StillIRise1963 Homeless doesn't mean society has failed, unless you believe society has always been a failure. We know there were homeless people at least as far back as ancient Mesopotamia. There are simply some people who don't want to carry their own weight and who want SOCIETY to carry them.

tengohipo,

@StillIRise1963 humans are a failed species we just destroy things not caring about the consequences

shreegupta, (edited )

@StillIRise1963 yeah.. whatever, I don't care.. i m the billionaire failure of society 💀

#darkhumour #humour #darksouls #darkjokes

BigJye7,

@StillIRise1963 Then consider the billionaires in society have the means to end homelessness and it wouldn't even put a dent in their pockets.

AGTMADCAT,

@StillIRise1963 If we had 0 homelessness, 0 hunger, etc etc then maybe we could reevaluate billionaires. It's the having both at once which is the most galling.

NovemberMan,
AmericanFinanceNews,

@StillIRise1963 it's true

my_actual_brain,
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@StillIRise1963 I was just thinking about this the other day. For context, I am in a third world country.

I was outside of my condo the other day and a guy pulled up in a car that is easily worth 10 condos here. It is probably worth about as much as my parents 5 bedroom house in the states.

I live pretty comfortably here, but there is extreme poverty. I started wondering why society can even function when there is such a divide between people.

StillIRise1963,
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@my_actual_brain It's strange to me that anyone wants it that way. They make people poor to scoff at them? Idk.

holyramenempire,
@holyramenempire@kolektiva.social avatar

@StillIRise1963 @my_actual_brain I believe the rich experience security not the way that normal people do - "Are my needs met?", but in a maladaptive way of "Am I winning?"

They seem to need reminders of how much money they COULD lose, or their wealth isn't worth anything to them. The feeling of being "special" and "chosen" to be in a wealthy group seems to be the motivation, not the money itself (which has to lose meaning pretty fast at those sums.) Therefore a "lower" class MUST exist for them to feel like they have anything at all. And the "lower" that class gets, the more money they feel like they have.

StillIRise1963,
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@holyramenempire Yes, and I find that strange.
@my_actual_brain

kevinrns,
@kevinrns@mstdn.social avatar

@StillIRise1963

Well yes, but was he pushed?

fizzbin88,

@StillIRise1963 Well... has failed, that is for sure...

the_Effekt,

@StillIRise1963

This is a raw and simple truth, and we'd be a lot further along if all those peeps in those big, white marble buildings would get their collective heads out of their asses and admit it.

paulywill,
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@StillIRise1963 For fun I will always take the pro argument and try to defend billionaires in debates with my wife… I have yet to move the needle on her opinion of them.

slickwarren,

@StillIRise1963 those are results of the society we live in, not flaws. It's operating exactly as designed.

mambearpnw,

@StillIRise1963

When should we have stopped Sam Walton?

StillIRise1963,
@StillIRise1963@mastodon.world avatar

@mambearpnw Way before our taxes started subsidizing what should have been the salaries of his employees.

TruthSandwich,

@StillIRise1963

Half-right.

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