gimulnautti,
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Ironically, the kind of large-scale social contract engineering performed by ”the woke mind virus” is exactly what mega-sized networks of computer algorithms and people need to stay free of centralised censorship and control.

https://www.amazon.com/Meganets-Digital-Control-Commandeer-Realities/dp/1541774442

harri,
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@gimulnautti Oh yeah Sam Harris talked to that writer… I’m a bit behind on episodes :-)

harri,
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@gimulnautti Oh that looks interesting

gimulnautti,
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@harri It’s a great read. Coincidentally, a similar kind of logic has been suggested by the ”father” of metamodern politics Hanzi Freinacht (which is just a pen-name of Daniel Görtz and Emil Friis) in their treatise The Listening Society.

https://www.amazon.com/Listening-Society-Metamodern-Politics-Guides/dp/8799973901

gimulnautti,
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@harri The history of freedom is a paradox. If we look at on an objective level the development of individual freedom, people used to be able to count their freedoms in much more varied ways than now. Yet people feel more free.

Still, on an absolute level, the amount of control has increased massively! But what matters is that it is not in the hands of single individuals and people feel they have a chance at affecting the rules of that control.

gimulnautti,
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@harri The alt-right etc are correct to point out that control is increasing. But either they are willfully leaving out the obvious result that actually the control is enabling choices that were previously unavailable due to lack of control, or they are just dumb.

I mean, taking away the freedom for a man to challenge another in a duel enable quite a bit of behaviours a woman couldn’t take beforehand.

A hard conservative might not like that, but I think it was good. 😃

harri,
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@gimulnautti Have to check out the books, but yeah seems pretty obvious to me that the libertarian kind of freedom means more freedom for the powerful only

gimulnautti,
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@harri The books are something else to read, too. I think they invented a fictious philosopher to make their play precisely because extremely brutal honesty about the failures of all current political strains is required to punch through. Very entertaining if you like your ideological brains blown out and then reassembled. 😄

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