geomannie,
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bthalpin,
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@geomannie I've been running simulations of what Single Transferable Voting in multi-seat constituencies would look like, using constituency-level data for the last four elections and this is the summary. In short, the Tories would practically never have a majority without FPTP.

geomannie,
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@bthalpin Very interesting. Thanks.

bthalpin,
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@geomannie The Electoral Reform Society have looked at it too (rather more carefully than I, I imagine) and their estimates make mine look "too conservative", in both senses

https://www.electoral-reform.org.uk/what-if-post-war-elections-under-the-single-transferable-vote/

Wen,
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@bthalpin @geomannie an interesting analysis and I would be surprised if they got it wrong.

What did interest me is the observation that two party coalitions would be possible far more frequently. That would make a difference.

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@Wen @geomannie Coalitions are very common in more proportional systems. In 2-party systems coalition formation (and the related horse-trading) takes place much more within the two main parties ("broad churches").

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@bthalpin @geomannie I know. I just didn’t think the relatively minor changes in STV would have had such a pronounced effect (retrospectively).

passenger,

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This is fascinating, thank you for linking it.

It surprises me that only one postwar election (2017) would have had a different winner had they been run under single-transferrable-vote. I'm by no means an expert on electoral systems but I'd have thought it would have made more of a change.

bthalpin,
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@passenger @geomannie I think you're misreading something. It would have changed many elections. Even under my analysis of the last four, STV would have killed all chance of a Tory majority in 2015, and they would have a 12% chance of a majority in 2019.

2017 stands out in that the difference between the simulated STV results and the May disaster was unusually small.

passenger,

@bthalpin @geomannie

When I look at that electoral reform website for 2015, it says:

FPTP: Conservative lead of 331 to 212
STV: Conservative lead of 273 to 236

Am I misreading it?

bthalpin,
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@passenger @geomannie

In 2015, actual seats
Cons 331, Lab 232
Under STV (ERS)
Cons 273, Lab 236

So STV would have left the Tories far short of a majority.

In my analysis: Cons 277, Lab 245.

passenger,

@bthalpin @geomannie

Yes, but when no party has an absolute majority, it's still usual for the largest party to form a government.

In countries with proportional representation where coalition governments are normal, it is theoretically possible for weird coalitions to form which exclude the largest party; but these aren't common and even where they exist, they tend to fall apart quite quickly. For example, think of the Israeli grand coalition to keep Netanyahu out of office, and how that worked out.

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