ianRobinson,
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I’d vote for a hyena in an Aran jumper if it was running against Trump in the USA or the Tories in the UK.

Complaining about Biden or Starmer because they are not your ideal candidate given the alternatives, just baffles me.

Either will be better than Trump or the Tories for another 4 years.

lizbrowne,
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@ianRobinson

Ditto when it comes to Trudeau vs Poilievre in Canada. Trudeau is not perfect by any means, but the alternative is terrifying.

ianRobinson,
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@lizbrowne I’m not very knowledgeable about Canadian politics. From a distance Trudeau seems pretty reasonable.

toychicken,
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@ianRobinson I understand the arguments for and against here, but what if you think that Labour are literally no different to the Tories? I struggle to see anything to distinguish them from one another. It's not Praxis if you just keep moving your chess piece backwards and forwards between two squares.

ianbicking,
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@ianRobinson I think (a) you're right, and (b) you should take it further. Saying "I would vote for X (some terrible thing) instead of Trump" you're creating a narrative that Biden is almost but not quite as bad as X.

If you are really dedicated and believe in being anti-Trump you should be pro-Biden without Trump caveats. That's praxis! That's the effort we should be putting in, to put aside tepid contrarian support for a while, even though we've all become so comfortable with being contrarian

ianRobinson,
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@ianbicking I would support Biden if I was in the USA. But I’m not.

I’d also vote for Labour if they stood candidates in Northern Ireland. But they don’t.

I’ll be voting Alliance in East Belfast.

My point was not voting for the alternatives on offer in places where it matters baffles me.

winkleink,
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@ianRobinson it’s realising that elections are not absolute. It’s nudging the National in the direction you want it to go.

The real risk is people with extreme views will come out to vote while the complacent won’t bother so a higher ratio of extreme will vote than ratio of complacent.

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