karlauerbach,
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@SteveBellovin Today you posted a note about how someone appears to have injected a Trojan into the source of XV. And there was another post about the increase in complex tool chains and dependencies that are larding-up the software many of us use.

That made me wonder about whether national security bodies - intelligence, military, or other - or social movements, e.g. ISI) might be injecting similar things into source trees.

It would be relatively easy to hide such things, particularly via the tool chains or Makefiles - like who is going to notice a sed script in a autoconfig part of a build chain?

Like good spies, such things could be planted years in advance and only triggered, if ever, when desired.

This is not an open source issue, it is a ubiquitous issue. And in light of Ken Thompson's "Reflections on Trust" some of these could be quite invisible in some kinds of source code.

I am very nervous about the vulnerability and brittleness of our new world of tech as a utility.

mattblaze,
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@karlauerbach @SteveBellovin Wait, just confirming here. xz, not xv, right? If someone inserted a backdoor into xv, they are playing a VERY long game!

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karlauerbach,
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@SteveBellovin @mattblaze Yeah, xv vs xz - I have a tough time with the alphabet.

mattblaze,
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@karlauerbach @SteveBellovin I was worried I wouldn't be able to view gif files on my X workstation!

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cigitalgem,
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@karlauerbach @SteveBellovin do you remember when the OpenBSD codebase was popped? Pretty sure you're on target.

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