HeavenlyPossum,
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If you look at, say, an American city, with

  • its physical infrastructure built for cars, and

  • its cops who will arrest people for using the public space called “the street” without first purchasing a car, and

  • its compulsory wage labor,

and conclude that people collectively chose a carbon economy that’s destroying the planet, you’re missing the point.

HeavenlyPossum,
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I look at the world around me and see one of coercion: direct coercion by people, indirect coercion by institutions, and compulsion by impersonal systems.

I’ve made this argument in extensive detail over and over but I’ve got to admit that this is something I feel in my bones, beyond mere data and arguments.

I am not moved by arguments that we all somehow woke up someday and all simultaneously and coincidentally chose and continue to choose this failing hell-hole world we live in. They are non-starters for me; they stretch credulity beyond its breaking point.

JeffC1956,
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@HeavenlyPossum is a very powerful leveler.

HeavenlyPossum,
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@JeffC1956

I don’t really know what you mean by that

MisuseCase,
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@HeavenlyPossum People should read THE POWER BROKER and then they will really understand how

  1. We the people did not “choose” car-dependent infrastructure

  2. Urban planners knew car infrastructure was problematic as far back as the 50s but were shut out by various lobbies, their bought politicians, etc.

MisuseCase,
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@HeavenlyPossum And! This state of affairs was not inevitable! We almost banned cars from urban cores in America. Jaywalking became a crime because of an intense lobbying campaign.

https://99percentinvisible.org/episode/episode-76-the-modern-moloch/

HeavenlyPossum,
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@MisuseCase

I’m generally skeptical of explanations that require millions and millions of people to all decide to act identically and simultaneously in spite of enormous costs, in ways that make lots of them miserable. I’m also really skeptical of explanations that assume people have political agency in ways that I’ve seen no evidence for.

violetmadder,
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@MisuseCase @HeavenlyPossum

And I think very few people realize how awful our rail infrastructure is-- we have LESS rail service now than we did half a century ago, back when we had half the population.

Gif showing passenger railways on a map of the US over time, from 1962 to 2005. It starts out a dense and complex web, then most of the routes disappear.

sknob,
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@HeavenlyPossum agreed, but when given the (theoretical) choice, most people sure don’t seem to want to give up the carbon economy.

HeavenlyPossum,
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@sknob

I’m not aware of anyone given a meaningful choice, except maybe during the initial period of covid isolation, when global fossil fuel usage did decrease.

sknob,
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@HeavenlyPossum I was thinking of the current backlash in Europe (and elsewhere) against environmental activists and depressingly moderate environmental policies, or how the extreme-right is getting elected all over the place. But also of how so few people who could do less harm don’t bother (which applies to covid too).

HeavenlyPossum,
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@sknob

Are you one of those people who could do less harm but don’t bother?

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