fkamiah17,
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It's not our fault, it's because our army doesn't obey orders.
Yaniv Kubovich is a military reporter with Haaretz.

blogscot,
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@fkamiah17

I'm assuming the IDF sources mentioned are very unofficial and a different story will emerge when the official investigation concludes.

I'd really love to see someone held accountable for this atrocity but I wouldn''t bet on it happening.

fkamiah17,
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@blogscot Given the history of IOF accountability, I wouldn't hold your breath.
This is interesting, from an interview on Anderson Cooper last night, quoting an Israeli reserve officer:
" ... that the orders are basically, from the commanders on the ground, just shoot every man of fighting age"
Which chimes with Yoav Gallant's statement at the beginning of the genocide:
" ... declaring he had “released all restraints” on the Israel Defence Forces."
https://www.smh.com.au/world/middle-east/they-will-regret-this-moment-israel-vows-to-release-all-restraints-on-troops-20231011-p5ebe0.html

duckwhistle,
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@fkamiah17
For the sake of argument let's say that's true.
Then everybody involved should be facing a court marshall, and a murder trial.

fkamiah17,
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@duckwhistle If "soldiers" in the IOF were ever likely to be subject to a court marshall or a murder trial, they'd have started long before now.

MadeyeTheCarnaptious,
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@fkamiah17

Proof the IDF is out of control. It's not an army, it's a murdering rabble.

fkamiah17,
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@MadeyeTheCarnaptious It's not a "defence" force. It's an occupation force. Licenced for genocide and summary execution, whether it be of Palestinian civilians, aid workers, journalists or medical professionals.

jt_rebelo,
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@fkamiah17 @MadeyeTheCarnaptious not even going for the easy "just following orders" cop-out answer, or are the higher-ups washing their hands, the Pontius Pilate way?

MadeyeTheCarnaptious,
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@jt_rebelo @fkamiah17

They're blaming "mission command" tactical autonomy, which is fine if it's being exercised by a professional army that operates within the Geneva Conventions and international humanitarian law. The problem here is the IDF is a murdering rabble that's out of control and allowed to operate with impunity not only by its own government but also by the US, UK and the rest.

Wen,
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@MadeyeTheCarnaptious @fkamiah17 they are just obeying orders…

MadeyeTheCarnaptious,
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@Wen @fkamiah17

Mein Führer....

fkamiah17,
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@Wen @MadeyeTheCarnaptious Israeli spokesman literally gave "they weren't obeying orders" as an excuse for the strike.

Wen,
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@fkamiah17 @MadeyeTheCarnaptious

And of course they are credible….. the lies are consistent though.

fkamiah17,
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@Wen @MadeyeTheCarnaptious The lies aren't even consistent. The trouble with making up excuses on the hoof is that they're quickly proved to be bullshit, and liars are notoriously incapable of keeping track of the lies they tell.

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