cstross, (edited )
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fanf,
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@cstross online clothing retail is dominated by boo.com

flash became the runtime platform for the web (they never made javascript go fast) macromedia bought adobe and won the browser wars by hollowing out MS IE

andywood,
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@cstross looking forward to ordering a Psion Mm* with the WAP DAB dongle - I just can't decide which casing texture to go for

*multimedia

toolbear,
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@cstross
> …What survivors from the glorious-future-that-wasn't would you like to memorialize in this shared fictional nightmare?

VRML. VR chat catches on; it works well enough over the 9600 baud network and chatting with blocky avatars across the globe is novel enough that the VR market never goes fully bust.

And Java. Except it's called Oak. It runs on cable set top boxes and VR headsets and DVD players.

Monkey's paw: global disinfo and political polarization via VR chat; OakWorms malware

underlap,
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@cstross Very good.

> Macintosh® Powerbook™ is all that's left of the glory that was Apple: a range of black plastic PowerPC business laptops sold by Lenovo. Main value proposition: they run COBOL business applications real good.

Reminds me of IBM PC AT/370 which could also run CICS, COBOL, and other business-critical software.

pixel,
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@cstross The future that never was!

slothrop,
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@cstross Excellent post.

But if life was even the least bit fair, the market for MP3 players would be dominated by Archos.

I recall their devices were pretty good!

cstross,
@cstross@wandering.shop avatar

@slothrop I had an Archos Jukebox 20 before I got my first iPod (a 2nd generation one). The JB20 was quite a chonk, the LCD display was horrible, the UI was clunky, and the audio out suffered from hiss. Also, USB 1.1 was s-l-o-w when it came to filling a 20Gb hard disk. On the other hand, it used four user-replaceable NiMH AA cells and could kinda-sorta be hacked and upgraded by the owner.

slothrop,
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@cstross Yeah, the players I remember were basically portable hard drives that you could install Rockbox on.

It wasn’t great - but it replaced the Discman-class devices, which weren’t without their flaws either!

dmarti,
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@cstross on that timeline, all small business software is written in MS-Excel or Macromedia Flash (the boss won't buy you the MSDN subscription that you need to get any of the professional developer tools that are part of the software patent pool, and anything built with your old student-licensed tools is only signed to run on an education PC)

anthony_steele,
@anthony_steele@dotnet.social avatar

@dmarti @cstross

It's not just cobol on those laptops, that's so old-school.

Of course, there's also MS Visual Basic.

cstross,
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@anthony_steele @dmarti Forget Visual Basic, the new hotness is Perl/Tk! (Which is/was actually a real thing. Shudder.)

gabe,
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@cstross @anthony_steele @dmarti Sun developed a Netscape plugin for "Tclets".

Yes.

Like applets.

But in Tcl.

cstross, (edited )
@cstross@wandering.shop avatar

@gabe @anthony_steele @dmarti I regret to say that as of last month I could find NO SIGN on the internet of SCO's circa-1993-95 Widget Server (a Tcl-based high level scripting interface for writing GUI applications that could display in a terminal using a Curses UI or graphically via X11/Motif). A shame: it was elegant and in theory extensible to other display protocols (it was a client/server architecture). SCO used it to script the OpenServer system administration GUI.

gabe,
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jens,
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@gabe @cstross @anthony_steele @dmarti I didn't work with that, but plain Tcl/Tk... yeah, that I had to write at some point.

Unixbigot,
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@cstross @gabe @anthony_steele @dmarti ugh that open server text “gui” was soo awful. And don’t get me started on what they did to /etc/* “my god, it’s full of symlinks”

gabe,
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@Unixbigot @cstross @anthony_steele @dmarti to be fair, /usr was also full of symlinks, and SCO management was also full of it...

cstross,
@cstross@wandering.shop avatar

@gabe @Unixbigot @anthony_steele @dmarti Yes, SCO management being full of it was a major contributory factor in me running away to Scotland. (I could see the writing on the wall as far back as late 1994).

dmarti,
@dmarti@federate.social avatar

@cstross @anthony_steele there are even two legal version of Perl/Tk -- Microsoft Visual Perl/Tk and SCO Open PerlWare (a cornucopia of choices compared to version control, where the only fully licensed system is MSFT Visual SourceSafe)

cstross,
@cstross@wandering.shop avatar

@dmarti @anthony_steele You think you're joking but there REALLY WAS a product, circa 1995-99, called "Visual COBOLScript for Windows 98: CGI Programming Edition".

fanf,
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@cstross @anthony_steele @dmarti you know python comes with tcl/tk in its standard library? batteries included! https://docs.python.org/3/library/tk.html

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