It's so tragically obvious that #Zionism is nothing but #fascism of another ilk. Underlying is the same greed for money, land and power that signifies #Capitalism.
In the end, when all is said and done this is what it is. Fascism donning its favourite costume of #Nationalism and religious zealotry.
Pointing that out is NOT antisemitism. Get it into your bloody heads.
Not sure I agree that it's not antisemitism but it sure is the dumbest thing I've heard in forever. Apparently you fail to understand both zionism and fascism.
@tqwhite@coffeepine
Are you suggesting that anti-zionism (opposition to the political ideology of Zionism, which advocates for the establishment and support of a Jewish state in the land of Israel) is the same as antisemitism (prejudice, discrimination, or hostility directed against Jewish people based on their ethnicity or religion), and if so, how did you come to that conclusion?
@Radical_EgoCom@coffeepine Jewish people were kicked out of Judea and abused in the diaspora. I believe that Jews have a right to have a place to live and exert their culture. It is my view that opposing the very idea that Jews should have a home is to say that they are not deserving of the privilege most other cultures can simply assume. I think that the claim that Jews should accept the role of subordinates in other peoples countries is antisemitic.
@tqwhite@Radical_EgoCom@coffeepine Firstly, Judaism is a religion not an ethnic group. No other country on Earth exists for a religious group, those who tried have been called cults. And the Palestinians are Semites, the Zionists are antisemitic.
@tqwhite@Radical_EgoCom@coffeepine Judaism is a religion not an ethnic group. Judaism was a late addition to the Semites which originally only included peoples from ethnic Arabic speaking people. Zionism is a political movement which is supported by people from all backgrounds. The creation of Israel based on a religion led to an apartheid State. The creation of Israel based on religion was always going to create problems for these reasons.
@Bron1954@Radical_EgoCom@coffeepine When it was founded, it was explicitly inclusive of the Arab sort of people that lived there. The schism was a consequence of Arab hostility to which Israel responded. You are incorrect. It became a separatist state after Arabs attacked in forty eight. It’s not because it was a Jewish state unless you consider Jew hatred to be Israel’s fault.
@tqwhite@Bron1954@coffeepine
The schism started when Zionists tried to establish a government in a land where there was already an established government. It seems like the hostility came from Palestinians not wanting a government to be imposed on them, which is understandable.
@Radical_EgoCom@Bron1954@coffeepine The region was under British control. There was never a Palestinian state. Before they coalesced against Israel there was no cohesive Palestinian ethnicity. They were a variety of tribal identities.
@tqwhite@Bron1954@coffeepine
There were established governments and communities in the region before the establishment of the modern state of Israel by Zionist leaders in 1948. The area known as Palestine was under Ottoman rule for centuries until the end of World War I, when it came under British control as a League of Nations mandate. During this time, various communities, including Palestinian Arabs, Jews, and others, inhabited the region. The establishment of the state of Israel in...
@tqwhite@Bron1954@coffeepine
...1948 led to significant changes in governance, demographics, and territorial control in the region, sparking conflict between Israelis and Palestinians that continues to this day.
@Radical_EgoCom@Bron1954@coffeepine A government was legally created by the international community. The indigenous Palestinians did not like it and, with the Jew hating local Arab community, attempted to destroy the country. It did not work. I am no fan of Netanyahu but I do not agree with the characterization of genocide.
@tqwhite@Bron1954@coffeepine
Well of course they didn't like a bunch of people coming onto their land and establishing a government without their consent. People generally don't like imperialism when they're the victims of it. And it being legal doesn't equate with it being right. Something can be legal and wrong.
@Radical_EgoCom@Bron1954@coffeepine they did not have a government. They had been living under British rule for a long time. It was absolutely not imperialism. Also, where would you have put the Jews?
@tqwhite@Bron1954@coffeepine
There were other places that Zionist Jews could have considered as potential destinations besides the Middle East. Throughout the late 19th and early 20th centuries, the Zionist movement explored various options for establishing a Jewish homeland, including locations in Africa, Asia, and the Americas.
Some of the proposed alternatives to Palestine included regions in East Africa, such as Uganda, Kenya, and Tanzania. The British government even offered the...
@tqwhite@Bron1954@coffeepine
...Uganda Scheme in 1903 as a temporary solution to the Jewish refugee crisis, although it was ultimately rejected by most Zionist leaders.
Additionally, there were efforts to establish Jewish agricultural colonies in places like Argentina, Brazil, and North America. However, the idea of returning to the historical land of Israel held deep religious and cultural significance for many Zionist Jews, leading to the eventual focus on Palestine as the...
@Radical_EgoCom@Bron1954@coffeepine You are knowledgeable. Thank you. These are things I know about. The dedication to the homeland was decisive. Also valid in my view.
@tqwhite@Bron1954@coffeepine
Deciding to establish a government in a location where there are existing communities against the wishes of those communities all because a religious holy book says so isn't valid in my opinion, no more valid as when the Americans did a similar thing during Manifest Destiny.
@Radical_EgoCom@Bron1954@coffeepine Except for the part where it is not true, you completely right. Before Israel, there was Britain. Before them, there were nomadic groups and villages, including Jewish ones for decades.
@Radical_EgoCom@Bron1954@coffeepine While you seem like a nice, smart person, your judgement of validity isn't really important. It was ratified by the international community as a legal country. It is a fact, just as is racist old America. Jews have as good a right to the place as the Palestinians (I would argue better) and when they tried to include them, the Palestinians tried to overthrow Israel.
I am very angry about many things Israel but arguing about its right to exist is pointless.
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