kaia,
@kaia@brotka.st avatar

can you give me the TLDR why NixOS is dead?

pixel,
@pixel@desu.social avatar

@kaia there's a document with a TL;DR and further in-depth info

https://github.com/KFearsoff/nix-drama-explained/blob/main/README.md

xarvos,
@xarvos@outerheaven.club avatar

@kaia something about receiving funding from military contractor. also the release manager got banned from their github for some behavior i didn’t look at details

magmaus3,
@magmaus3@mk.absturztau.be avatar

@kaia not really a tldr, but https://save-nix-together.org/

mischievoustomato,
@mischievoustomato@rebased.taihou.website avatar
SuperDicq,

@mischievoustomato @magmaus3 @kaia Nix people will literally write 10k word essays about pointless drama instead of just being pragmatic and making a fork.

I see why it's called declarative now.

mischievoustomato,
@mischievoustomato@rebased.taihou.website avatar

@SuperDicq @kaia @magmaus3 the fork will prbably go the way of the glimpse fork of gimp lmfao

SuperDicq,
SuperDicq,

@mischievoustomato @kaia @magmaus3 I refuse to believe anyone actually really hates GIMP, it's a based and wholesome project.

There's two types of people who dislike GIMP:

  1. They prefer Photoshop and lick Adobe boot.
  2. They think "GIMP" is offensive.
magmaus3,
@magmaus3@mk.absturztau.be avatar

@SuperDicq @mischievoustomato @kaia
afaik some people hate the ui/ux (which i personally don't understand)

SuperDicq,
magmaus3,
@magmaus3@mk.absturztau.be avatar

@SuperDicq @mischievoustomato @kaia point 1 talks about something else

SuperDicq,

@magmaus3 @mischievoustomato @kaia Most people I've heard complaining about GIMPs UI say "it's not like photoshop".

Anyway big GIMP UI update coming soon™

Suiseiseki,

@SuperDicq As always with free software, someone even released a modification that makes the UI pretty much the same as photoshop; https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GIMPshop?useskin=monobook

SuperDicq,

@Suiseiseki Considering the last release was in 2006 I doubt this looks anything like modern Photoshop at all.

SuperDicq,

@Suiseiseki Good intentions tho:

My original purpose for GIMPshop was to make the GIMP accessible to the many Adobe Photoshop users out there. I hope I’ve done that. And maybe along the way, I can convert a Photoshop pirate into a GIMP user.

SuperDicq,

@Suiseiseki But yeah this stuff usually ends like all those GNU/Linux distros that try to emulate the MacOS or Windows user experience to make it "more accessible".

It never really catches on because instead of being unique and interesting it just feeling like a cheap bootleg always. It doesn't convince people to switch in any way.

Having something unique and different works way better. People also learn better in an open minded environment where they may expect things to be different instead of reassuring them "everything will be the same like you're used to" when it really isn't.

hj,
@hj@shigusegubu.club avatar

@SuperDicq @kaia @magmaus3 @mischievoustomato i know someone who doesn't like gimp but likes inkscape

SuperDicq,

@hj @kaia @magmaus3 @mischievoustomato I don't think you can directly compare the two. One is a raster image editor and the other is a vector graphics editor.

grillchen,
@grillchen@brotka.st avatar

@kaia i only know the worst military industrial complex companies pour money into it. like automatic shooting at borders and co. that is a curse of free software though. everyone can use it for everything

mischievoustomato,
@mischievoustomato@rebased.taihou.website avatar

@kaia some contributors left because of the whole "waaa waaa moderation team has no power" and because eelco does stuff weirdly. but chances are stuff will be fine. I've moved to arch because shit seems to be slowing down and tfw no gnome 46 yet and other shit is broken in nix anywag

icedquinn,
@icedquinn@blob.cat avatar

@mischievoustomato @kaia so basically the communists ran off people who do actual work, like they always do

alright :cirno_sip:

grillchen,
@grillchen@brotka.st avatar

@icedquinn @kaia @mischievoustomato it seems llike the anduril sponsoreship put a deep divide.

to quote chjara: anduril is "children killing incoporated"

mischievoustomato,
@mischievoustomato@rebased.taihou.website avatar

@grillchen @icedquinn @kaia I don't really care about what anduril does as long as their money helps nix

icedquinn,
@icedquinn@blob.cat avatar

@mischievoustomato @grillchen @kaia that probably depends on the scope of what they wanted for the money. if it was free money then i'd probably just go :blobcatpuffysup: i'm a paid mercenary give me the cash.

if they wanted some controlling stake, i might be more inclined to say no.

grillchen,
@grillchen@brotka.st avatar

@icedquinn @kaia @mischievoustomato yeah and u might lose free contributor when u take wrong peoples money. it mind sound petty but people who work for free usually have certain expectations for the project. if the project doesnt fit they leave.

mischievoustomato,
@mischievoustomato@rebased.taihou.website avatar

@grillchen @icedquinn @kaia people come and go, it'll be fine.

grillchen,
@grillchen@brotka.st avatar

@mischievoustomato @icedquinn @kaia so does money :laughing_cirno:

icedquinn,
@icedquinn@blob.cat avatar

@grillchen @kaia @mischievoustomato this is going to sound very callous but the random field of people screeching about ideals is not what makes a foss project tick.

almost always its one probably autistic guy holding all the shit together. if its a very big project indeed there might be 2-8 core developers holding it together. and the rest of the patches are drive-bys who put in like five line fixes and were never heard from again.

grillchen,
@grillchen@brotka.st avatar

@icedquinn @kaia @mischievoustomato i agree. and losing any of the core developers hurts. more than some money for some conference for some end users (afaik that was what anduril sponsored. not development itself)

icedquinn,
@icedquinn@blob.cat avatar

@grillchen @kaia @mischievoustomato this deal sounds dumber the more i hear about it

grillchen,
@grillchen@brotka.st avatar

@icedquinn @kaia @mischievoustomato hihi this is the second conference btw.

first one anduril got kicked as a sponsor for the company in germany.

the reason was: the got rooms at a university for their conference. the university has a strict no military clause. so they had to kick out either anduril or lose the universities support

mischievoustomato,
@mischievoustomato@rebased.taihou.website avatar
icedquinn,
@icedquinn@blob.cat avatar

@mischievoustomato @grillchen @kaia i would probably tell the university to eat soap but thats how i feel whenever people try to control anything i do

grillchen,
@grillchen@brotka.st avatar

@icedquinn @kaia @mischievoustomato i mean it was in the contract.... not being able to read it is 100% their fault.

icedquinn,
@icedquinn@blob.cat avatar

@grillchen @kaia @mischievoustomato for some reason people don't read those things.

i ended up getting another fedi contractor to bounce a job because he was just casually flipping through it on stream and i asked if he read the part about "registered sleeping hours"

grillchen,
@grillchen@brotka.st avatar

@icedquinn @kaia @mischievoustomato anyway what it feels like seeing nixos drama as a gentoo user

iska,

@icedquinn @mischievoustomato @kaia guix gnu/chads just keep winning

mischievoustomato,
@mischievoustomato@rebased.taihou.website avatar

@iska @icedquinn @kaia lol yeah the people who left nix said they wouldn't join guix because its a gnu project.

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