I cannot logically discuss Israel/Gaza with people who believe this atrocity began with Hamas war crimes on 10/7.
If you ignore a 60 year illegal military occupation, 700K illegal settlements, a two decade blockade, 7000 Palestinians indefinitely detained in Israeli prison w/o charge, 800 Palestinian children indefinitely detained in Israeli prison w/o charge & denied access to counsel or parents, & at least 240 Palestinians killed by IDF from 1/1-10/6/23—then you are not engaging in good faith
@QasimRashid Neither can I. Some of us have relatives who are concerned about us "kids" who can't just turn off our emotions about a genocide of people we care about. I'll add that some of us are a mix of Western and Middle Eastern, which makes it hard to not get angry and upset.
@QasimRashid I agree with you about these tangled underpinnings, and the ironic, tragic turn of Israel’s hawks to apartheid.
I wonder if we’re most effective in persuading others by ignoring that, and just acknowledging the brutal terrorism of Hamas’ actions on 10/7, instead focusing on Netanyahu’s current genocidal war crimes?
@QasimRashid You could see this line parroted everywhere: There were many peace deals but all of them rejected by Palestinians. As if that gives the authority for this apartheid. Count Bernodette was assassinated for his plan by Zionist Terrorists. Yitzhak Rabin was assassinated by Zionist Terrorists. Any concrete plan for peace is derailed by Zionists. And they proudly trumpet, only if Palestinians could accept their apartheid plans!
@QasimRashid does this mean that Hamas crimes committed on 7 October could be ignored and completely left out of the discussion?
From the outside it seems as if liberal establishment pretends 7 October never happened
It seems to me the current crisis is due in part from the assassination of Israeli PM Yitzhak Rabin by right wing Israeli extremists. There was a legit chance for peace in 1995. Afterwards, the Palestinian and Israeli people and the whole world knew that seeking peace for any leader means risking death from internal [and external] extremists. This situation gave rise to Bibi and legitimacy for Hamas.
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