elizayer,
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A new work colleague said the phrase "forming, zorming or whatever," and it was an instant connection. 😂

The model of "forming, storming, norming" has has never described my experience of teams. Like, at all.

xahteiwi,
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@elizayer Interesting, it's never failed to describe mine. How do things work in your experience?

elizayer,
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@xahteiwi No recognizable state transition whatsoever! Misunderstandings seem to happen at a fairly even rate, and normally they are triggers for curiosity and exploration. Forging relationships. Cumulative.

In the rare cases I've experienced anything I'd recognize as "storming," it's never resolved through norming to performing, despite solid efforts. It's been "wait it out until a team composition change."

xahteiwi, (edited )
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@elizayer Okay. For me it's always been:

  • New person joins my team (meaning: we have a new team)
  • Person gets up to speed on how we do things, integrates well and is welcomed (forming)
  • Person discovers something they think is not great and needs changing; there is some friction as a result (storming)
  • We discuss and either update our ways, or the new person realises the way we've been doing it is okay afterall (norming)
  • Either way, we move on as a better team (performing)
elizayer,
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@xahteiwi Yes, I can well believe that it captures the essence for many folks!

Maybe I just see the conflict as less intrusive? And haven't experienced it peak and settle quite the same way as "normal"?

I dunno. Just never particularly resonated for me. 🤷‍♀️

xahteiwi,
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@elizayer I tend to not think of it as "conflict" either (and I'd have to go back to the original Tuckman to see if he ever emphasised that specific term), but rather as constructive friction.

elizayer,
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@xahteiwi I'll admit I hadn't ever gone back to Tuckman's original paper, but here's what he says about Stage 2:

"The second phase in the development of group structure is labeled as intragroup conflict. Group members become hostile toward one another and toward a therapist or trainer as a means of expressing their individuality and resisting the formation of group structure."

https://web.mit.edu/curhan/www/docs/Articles/15341_Readings/Group_Dynamics/Tuckman_1965_Developmental_sequence_in_small_groups.pdf

xahteiwi,
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@elizayer Okay yeah, that implies that people are at each other's throats. That I haven't seen either.

Though if I ever would, I don't think I'd sit it out. Rather, I reckon it'd be a them or me situation where one would have to go.

elizayer,
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@xahteiwi It reads as very much a product of its time (reviewing studies between 1949-1961).

I’m assuming its longevity comes from the permission it gives people to not get along? And comfort that feeling bad in a group is common and temporary?

xahteiwi,
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@elizayer Possibly, though I know of at least one concept (Integrated Model of Group Development, IMGD) due to Susan Wheelan that is much more recent (1996) and is essentially a Tuckman second pour-over.

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