/r/AccidentalRenaissance moderators have all resigned. The subreddit has permanently shut down and moved to Lemmy.

AccidentalRenaissance has no active moderators due to Reddit’s unprecedented API changes, and has thus been privated to prevent vandalism.

Resignation letters:

Openminded_Skeptic - imgur.com/a/WwzQcac

VoltasPistol - imgur.com/a/lnHSM4n

We welcome you to join us in our new homes:

kbin.social/m/AccidentalRenaissance

lemmy.blahaj.zone/c/accidentalrenaissance

Thank you for all your support!

Original post from r/ModCoord

db0,
@db0@lemmy.dbzer0.com avatar

Argh, why make 2 communities? >_< Pick one damnit :D

I’m going to the blahaj one

Anyway well done for recognizing the ship is rapidly disintegrating.

Openmindedskeptic,

We weren’t sure which to go with; also… there was a whole thing with the creator of the OG sub; we were a bit concerned that they would create those and just sit on them, so we wanted to go ahead and have at least one or two places for AR.

So we did one on lemmy and one on kbin (I think I put one on like… squabbles too?) (I should check that…) and will kinda go with whichever takes off.

I_Miss_Daniel,
I_Miss_Daniel avatar

I'm sure eventually there'll be a means to merge them at the client end.

sunaurus,

The problem is that if you have two communities with exactly the same purpose, then that will encourage people to duplicate posts to both. This splits up discussions into two separate comment threads. Also, merging these communities at the client end will cause you to see any duplicated posts twice 😅

Cosmocrat,

Duplicate posts can be filtered at the client level too.

sigmaklimgrindset,

I mean it was like that on Reddit too. I would see the same articles posted on r/gaming, r/gamers, r/truegamers, etc. It’s not really a problem unique to Lemmy/Kbin

I_Miss_Daniel,
I_Miss_Daniel avatar

True. But if the client can see the duplicate and merge the post plus the comments from both posts into one on the user's device, it would be transparent to the user. We're just not there yet.

I think the same would also be useful where the same article (post) is made on multiple subs (communities / magazines) within a certain time window. It's annoying seeing the same post multiple times in /all.

CoderKat,

Yeah, I really hate the fragmentation because of that. Reddit admittedly had this problem too, but it didn’t feel like the same degree.

I think it also is a barrier to growing a community because it can sometimes take some time for it to be clear which community is the biggest one. To avoid duplication, I usually only join the biggest community of each “type” and it’s not always obvious which one that is.

AThing4String,

Why not both? I like twice the content.

db0,
@db0@lemmy.dbzer0.com avatar

It’s not going to be twice the content though. It’s either going to be split between the two, or, most likely, just seeing double-posts as one is crossposted to the other

SgtSilverLining,
@SgtSilverLining@lemmy.blahaj.zone avatar

https://media.tenor.com/e7p3zXTC2owAAAAd/blahaj-ikea.gif

sunaurus,

Yeah, kind of a strange choice to split like that. Are they intending to start crossposting to both communities?

livus,
livus avatar

Maybe they didn't realize lemmy and kbin can all visit the same community?

I subscribed yesterday. Will have to check which one it is!

The_Picard_Maneuver,
@The_Picard_Maneuver@lemmy.world avatar

This is most likely it. They sound like 2 different sites before you get here and realize how interconnected everything is.

Arcane_Trixster,

There’s a quote from them further up someone posted. They just weren’t 100% sold on any site because they said neither quite fit what they wanted. So they started up two to see how they develop and which they prefer down the line.

The_Picard_Maneuver,
@The_Picard_Maneuver@lemmy.world avatar

Well, more power to them. I’ve subbed to the Lemmy version at least.

CosmicCleric,
@CosmicCleric@lemmy.world avatar

I understand their feelings about that, but that seems like a dumb idea in the long one.

They’re dividing up their user base, and they’re going to have different conversations on each of those two servers that they’ll have to hop back and forth on if they want to get the whole experience.

cashews_best_nut,

I just checked out KBin for the first time. Yes there’s a lot of duplicated communities on there but the site itself has quite a nice UI. Like a more updated version of Lemmy keeping the simpl9icity but not going balls-to-the-wall modern like Reddit.

I’ve signed up and think I’ll be using both. I don’t see a problem with this. Sometimes I get a bit bored of Lemmy’s stories not updating so I’ll switch to KBin and see what’s going on.

It’s no different than when I used to get bored of Reddit and would check out BBC News or YouTube for stuff.

I like choice.

db0,
@db0@lemmy.dbzer0.com avatar

Nobody said anything about choice. But you can use your kbin account to read lemmy communities through kbin, and you can use lemmy account to read kbin communities through lemmy. There’s just no reason to have 2 communities.

TeaHands,
@TeaHands@lemmy.world avatar

Given that one of those resignations talks about Beehaw like it’s a separate platform entirely, I think it’s just some good old fashioned misunderstanding. Looks like they’ve set up separate user accounts on Lemmy and Kbin too.

discodoubloon,
discodoubloon avatar

Now setting up separate user accounts isn’t a terrible idea…

CosmicCleric,
@CosmicCleric@lemmy.world avatar

Don’t think you should divine the community though, right?

SmurfDotSee,

Given that one of those resignations talks about Beehaw like it’s a separate platform entirely

They might as well be, honestly.

Pamasich,
Pamasich avatar

I got a response from them on Reddit:

We didn't know which platform would take off, and we were nervous that because Kbin and Lemmy are so similar one platform might shut down in some sort of consolidation down the road. Also when we made them, each had very serious drawbacks for our media (Lemmy needs a lot of clicking to access the media, while kbin turned any media that wasn't in a 3:4 aspect ratio into a funhouse mirror.) So each of us took a community and somewhere down the line we'll re-evaluate.

Scanzy,

That makes a lot of sense.

I was tempted to go with kbin when I switched, because it just looks cleaner and better designed. I’m not sure why kbin isn’t more popular, but I’m sticking with the pack right now on lemmy.

Desistance,
@Desistance@lemmy.world avatar

From what I understand, /kbin is not as mature. It’s still an early beta. I’m not sure who designed Lemmy’s ui but it could use some spit polish.

CoderKat,

Personally I started with kbin and think the dev of it is great. But it’s simply not as far along IMO. At least when I was using it, it was critically missing the ability to collapse comments. That single feature is huuuuge for me and probably the most prominent thing that got me to switch to Lemmy.

It also doesn’t have an API yet, which means that mobile apps aren’t likely to target it. Though I’ve personally been using a browser cause I haven’t found any apps to be good enough yet.

Also, the notifications of kbin felt very buggy to me. I missed a lot of notifications and even when they worked, they don’t show the notification or even what the thread title is, so you have to click each one individually. IIRC, clicking the notification also didn’t work if your comment wasn’t on the first page of comments.

Openmindedskeptic,

It’s still lacking the collapse a comment ability! I am like when are they going to fix that?

But it’s a much much newer instance. We’ll see, but I think it has potential.

meldrik,
@meldrik@lemmy.wtf avatar

I like how Lemmy looks simpler and more lightweight. Also Kbin is trying to do 2 things instead of focusing on one thing and I don’t think that’s a good idea.

vinnythegooch9,

I was thinking the same thing, it’s counterintuitive to the whole point of Lemmy lol

overzeetop,
@overzeetop@lemmy.world avatar

It’s “broken by design.”

[deleted rant]

RightHandOfIkaros,

it’s counterintuitive to the whole point of Lemmy lol

Actually no, it is not. Having multiple smaller communities works to the benefit of users in the Fediverse. One server might be down, and people in those communities can find another community on a different instance to continue discussion until the community of their instance choice comes back up.

Openmindedskeptic,

Yeah I think people are trying to force/recreate Reddit in its entirety on a single platform, and that’s not going to happen.

And I didn’t think of it, but yeah having one to check out when the other one’s down is good.

Klaboesterbeer,

By that logic it makes more sense to have one community mirrored over multiple instances. If one instance goes down the others just take over. No hassle for the users.

Aphonefriend,

But the point is to have different people in charge in case anyone gets full of themselves. See: reddit

Openmindedskeptic,

It’s a good idea actually and I could see maybe having some different mods and/or handing over one to someone else at some point.

RightHandOfIkaros,

I do think it would be beneficial if there was a way to have “super communities” or “sub-federation,” where communities with similar topics can opt in to the feature. Thus if a person subscribes to one of the communities with that feature, other communities with similar topics will appear in that thread.

Ultimately, this would retain decentralization while increasing community discovery, which is a benefit to end-users.

Openmindedskeptic,

Yeah people have thrown around the idea of eventually doing something like that. So like you’d subscribe to “AccidentalRenaissance” and get all communities with that name as one feed or whatever.

Hope that happens.

Scanzy,

It’s kind of a massive part of Lemmys design, so I would disagree.

We’re going to end up with duplicate instances all over the place. That’s just the reality of things. Some of them will become the more popular versions and others will be abandoned, but there’s little point to complaining about it.

vinnythegooch9,

Yeah I understand that duplicates will pop up from different people, just found it weird that they would create 2 separate ones themselves. It’s hard to find which one to join when both are similar levels of active and I don’t love the idea of having to subscribe to both and go to both if I want to see what’s being posted. I assumed it was unfamiliarity with how the instances worked but didn’t think about seeing if kbin or lemmy would end up being more popular, that does makes sense.

Openmindedskeptic,

What’s wrong with subscribing to both? Then you’d have both in your feed; you wouldn’t have to go anywhere.

But yeah we also wanted to make sure to get the name in a couple of places. Didn’t expect our resignation letters & whatnot to go a bit more public and get influxes of users and all.

Jaarsh119,

I’m assuming seeing duplicate posts from the two all the time would be the reason why you wouldn’t sub to both. Unless there’s like some extensions or something that stop that kinda thing? I’m fairly new to this kind of thing so educate me if I’m wrong

Openmindedskeptic,

They aren’t connected except that the same mods run them. We don’t, or haven’t so far, posted duplicate posts. So that shouldn’t be an issue.

And then we’re also paying attention and when it seems appropriate, we will likely close down one and redirect traffic to the one we keep up.

Voyajer,
Voyajer avatar

Oh nice, they're on kbin

spez,

Do not worry, I already replaced them!

tsonfeir,
@tsonfeir@lemm.ee avatar

do I have to subscribe to two? 🙃

pm_me_your_boobies,

More of this please!

Potatofish,

Cool! First time seeing it and now subscribed

explodIng_lIme,

One of the best subs hands down. Sad to see it go but happy that I can subscribe again

TheRealGChu,

Sweet. Loved that sub. Now I can join again.

EliteCow,

lemmy.ml/…/f9228ab4-1f5c-4aaa-b371-b8409f1c7b30.j…

extinctkimono,

Same!

Prior_Industry,

Yes lads!

Doesnotexist,

One of my favorite subreddits

meldrik,
@meldrik@lemmy.wtf avatar

It’s clear that people prefer Lemmy over Kbin, for some reason. Over 2k users in the Lemmy community vs. only 900 on Kbin.

CosmicCleric,
@CosmicCleric@lemmy.world avatar

Timing and word of mouth.

For myself I didn’t even know Kbin existed until after the Reddit drama happened and I moved over to Lemmy.

scottywh,

Kbin is also a worse name…

Hyphlosion,
@Hyphlosion@donphan.social avatar

I like , but I haven’t figured out how to post there from my mastodon account yet.

blhue,

@meldrik Lemmy came first. It's got that going for it. Personally, I can't abide by the dev's politics, so I am team Kbin.

TheNightBird,

What’s with politics?

TheNightBird,

What’s with politics?

blhue,

@TheNightBird This is probably the best discussion I came across https://www.reddit.com/r/RedditAlternatives/comments/143o5xd/reconsidering_my_support_for_lemmy/

BaddDadd,

I hate the way they handle images. I was browsing kbin on my phone, and they show images 3 or 4 times as wide as tall. They put a tiny little thumbnail of the original image that fits in there, on a background of a blurred version of a strip of the image. It looks awful, and you can’t even click on it to see the image. You click once and it takes you to the thread, and you need to click a second time to see the image. Then back a couple times to get back to where you were.

tl/dr, kbin had me first, and I left because I didn’t like the UI.

dimlo,

it is quite difficult to use kbin to aay the least, as the user interface is more friendly here

ObiGynKenobi,

The UI for both is just reddit. And Kbin has a PWA that functions like a native app. The only issue I’ve found (on my phone at least), is some formatting issues with certain buttons.

meldrik,
@meldrik@lemmy.wtf avatar

Lemmy also has PWA and functions pretty well. On top of that, it has a ton of native apps afaik.

ObiGynKenobi,

The Kbin PWA is fine, but the native apps really give Lemmy a leg up. There are some genuinely fantastic apps like Connect and Liftoff that Kbin can’t match right now.

IceQuest,

Kbin seems to have some trouble viewing content in lemmy, but lemmy seems to have no trouble viewing kbin content, something about federated server being incomplete. I don’t know enough about federation to diagnose the problem or who is responsible, but lemmy account sees more stuff so that’s where I went.

Openmindedskeptic,

Yeah that’s the main issue w/kbin.

Speculater,

Kbin tries to be two things at once. Lemmy is Lemmy.

Openmindedskeptic,

I actually prefer kbin.(social). It hasn’t had nearly as much downtime and errors and whatnot as I’ve experienced on lemmy. Which is remarkable since Lemmy has been around for a few years whereas kbin is fairly recent.

Like, there are always growing pains, so I get it, and with all the influx of new users there can be issues, so not a big deal.

I think Lemmy’s more popular mostly because for whatever reason it’s the catchall name for the fediverse right now. IDK if there’s any like (very mild) astroturfing going on, or the name is just catchy, or what.

shottymcb,

To me, Lemmy looks and works like reddit used to. Kbin looks like reddit’s awful mobile client 🤮

CosmicCleric,
@CosmicCleric@lemmy.world avatar

It’s the name that’s catchy, and word of mouth when the Reddit drama happen, people weren’t mentioning Kbin that much.

Also Kbin sounded like a website for uploading pictures of programming code that you want to send to another programmer. It’s a very utility sort of name, where Lemmy is a very cosmetic sort of name.

Notyou,

If want an unprovoked opinion of a new join, I picked Lemmy because it was a simple word I could pronounce. I’m not saying kbin would be difficult to figure out, but having a simple name to pronounce is an easy “Welcome” sign to the newbies.

I should probably check around kbin at some point and I might even like it better. I just found what worked for me and I’m hesitant to change anything right now…okay you motivated me, I’ll check it out this weekend.

GamingChairModel,

for some reason

I joined a bunch of instances (including kbin) with a bunch of different usernames, and have mostly stopped visiting kbin. The default browser interface isn’t as good: no collapsing comments, unintuitive displays of what magazine/community you’re on (thread links weirdly prioritize telling you which instance hosts the community rather than which of that instance’s local communities it is), etc.

This UI/UX stuff matters, I think. After all, a big part of the reddit migration was prompted by users being forced off of their preferred interface.

pgetsos,
pgetsos avatar

There are some great userscripts to check out for enhancing Kbin with collapsible comments etc until the;kimplement them natively btw

Uguluk,

Fantastic news

harry_nola,

Thats a nice name you got there Uguluk.

Uglúk u bagronk sha pushdug Saruman-glob búb-hosh skai.

Uguluk,

Thank you. Been using this name for video games since I was a kid because of LOTR lol

Gerula,

Bravo! Congratulations for you stance!

Chee_Koala,

…stackexchange.com/…/how-can-i-subscribe-to-a-rem… this helped my learn something today!

floral_toxicity,

lemmy.world/…/accidentalrenaissance@lemmy.blahaj.…

And there’s the direct URL.

tryagain,

I’m so fucking happy. I went looking for an equivalent Lemmy community only a couple of days ago and there wasn’t really anything. But now here are the OGs!

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