It's been my experience that F-150 owners are arrogant, southern-fried buttholes, but anyone who owns a Cybertruck is probably worse, just by merit of being associated with Elon Musk.
I don't think anyone driving a Tesla owes anyone an excuse. I've been driving one for a few years and one of the first things I did after purchasing one was block Elon on Twitter.
You don't have to respect a business or the people that run it to buy and enjoy what they're selling.
I owe one to myself every time this asshole posts some far right bullshit on Twitter. Really makes just want to torch the car, sometimes. Won't do that cause it's a fine car and utterly innocent, of course.
It is a reality that Teslas were the best affordable EV you could get for a long time.
Now that the IONIQ is below it in price, maybe we can be a bit judgier for new vehicle purchases.... but even still, that is remarkably few affordable EVs available to the typical consumer and there still are some reasonable reasons to pick a Tesla. Unfortunately, that is mostly their charger network, which is the lightning cable of chargers trying to pretend that a totally superior ISO charger isn't better for consumers in every way.
I am going to judge a lot of them for driving like assholes. There's a reason people call them Tasshole.
At least where I live Tesla is a good option for overpaid office guys, the guys that used to drive a BMW or Audi. Lots of Tesla drivers that are impatient, aggressive and just annoying on the road.
There are a lot of bad drivers out there. We all see them every day and it doesn't matter what make or model vehicle they're driving.
I can also say that your interpretation of who is driving these vehicles is a wild generalization. Claiming that Teslas are being driven by 'overpaid office guys' is a stretch, and I don't think you understand how much a Tesla costs relative to any other vehicle of the same year out there.
Real trucks do have a full cabin my dude. Landscape/Hardscape crews prefer to take few vehicles onsite. Although we always get the normal bed size. Short bed is useless to everybody.
I've not seen somebody driving a ford truck made in the last decade that was doing "Real" work. this includes construction contractors. most the working trucks are Chevies or Toyos. though I'm also seeing an increasing number of Nissan (the NV's)
The only time I've seen it was when it was a company-issued truck lol
If I could get a new electric truck for less than $60,000 I'd use it though, because I get free charging and I could use the truck to make enough money to cover half of the payments. Just my personal situation.
I have. A lot of pickup trucks, for example, are built out of F450s. Old F450s.
The F-150 line is almost entirely vanity vehicles, though, and I have never seen a Lightning on the road but am sure I do not exclude it from my judgment.
Fifth wheel trailer hauling is the only use case that makes a big truck worthwhile, imo. The toy he weight on the hitch is…. Not that impressive and usually the limiting factor. Keep in mind I’m not talking about recreational/consumer usage- talking about actual work-usage (ie a contractor, or plumber or something)
The Lightnings actually have a reasonable use case as short range delivery fleet trucks. They're not going to go very far but they will move materials across town super cheaply and relatively eco-friendly - provided you have the startup capital to buy a fleet of Lightnings and the charger hookups.
I would not buy one as a consumer daily driver though.
I penciled out a business plan to use the lightning to run pallets and recyclable materials from several businesses to a nearby recycler, as a side gig. If the truck weren't so dang expensive it would work. I could even run a small commercial cardboard baler off the truck.
even the gas versions, the Dodge ProMaster, Ford Transits and Nissan NV's outperform. their fuel efficient, they have lower-to-the-ground beds allowing less lifting to get stuff in the bed size is larger- and lockable. and they cost less than their pick up counter parts
hell, I know a guy that delver's pallets of printed...things... in a prius, and would sniff at a pickup.
The thing that would make it work for me is free charging at work, which would also be one of the customers whose junk I'd be disposing. $0 fuel costs.
If you could get through a day without needing to use a fast charger, it might still work. Overnight charging on a slow level 2 is cheap. Needing to do a 20 minute top-up at a fast charger gets expensive in a hurry.
The transits are a much better platform/form factor for that use case, and probably would have been easier to modify into an EV.
The current iteration has too many compromises as a “consumer” vehicle while still pandering to the idea of being a working truck. A “man’s truck”, if you will. Let’s be honest here, they’re not advertising it to companies. They’re advertising it to men- the kind of men that need to remind the world that they’re men. kind of like how they used to pitch SUVs, at least until suvs became the go-to family car,
The Euro Transit vans are impressive. I had a guy come out to fix a flat tire on my rental car in Scotland. He made it down a singletrack dirt driveway to where I had parked and basically had an entire tire shop in his van. Ended up replacing the tire rather than patching it and it was still NBD.
I mean… they can. I drive a Maverick. My bed easily fits a riding mower, a weed eater, pressure washer, pole saw, and all the manual yard tools I could need for working on other people’s yards.
And my wife and children can also comfortably ride in it when I’m using it for family transportation. And I average 43 miles to the gallon.
Not every truck needs a full size bed, and four doors doesn’t make a truck less useful but more.
Gatekeeping dumbass. All he had to say is "Ford has made trucks its entire existence. We'll check in with Tesla in a hundred years." or some other macho check the scoreboard type statement. Instead he tried to pander to his percieved audience with a us vs them trope.
Most people who buy pickups don't need them. Pickup trucks have historically succeeded because of the light truck loophole in US fuel efficiency regulations.
No, but the F-150 is actually possible to build. Elon promised the world with the cybertruck, and it probably will never see the light of day. Certainly not in its prototype form and/or at the $40,000 sticker price.
I hate how normal large vehicles like trucks and SUVs have become here in the US. Especially because 90% of people who buy them don't actually need them. I see so many big stupid vehicles all over the place with a single person just going to the grocery store.
I make Costco runs in my Golf just fine. Very few families really NEED that giant vehicle. Even the ones that do, could easily get by with a normal 5 seater car and one larger vehicle.
I sure hope any of these inexpensive minitruck brands, especially all-electric ones, crack into the US market at some point.
Such ridiculousness, the arms race of ever-bigger "light" trucks that have double cabs and short beds. I cannot understand why any tradie would get a pickup over a van with a roof rack.
"Tradie" here with a crew cab and short box. Tools go in the cab (more secure, out of the elements) and need a truck box for all the messy/gross things I haul on the daily
Yeah I mean 90% of the time, you’re not doing that. Because no shit.
So don't buy a truck? Admit it, it's just compensating for your insecurities. You do not need a truck. Just rent one for the 2 times a year you might maybe need one, then you can stop driving up prices for people who actually need one.
I'm really annoyed that status seekers like you are providing such an overwhelming market incentive that Ford doesn't even have a 2-door electric truck on the market. They're all 4-door because it's 99% familes who want an SUV, but more manly looking.
then you can stop driving up prices for people who actually need one.
Yeah that's not really how that works LOL. I'm all for people not driving trucks, but if they stopped, that would make them MORE expensive. It's simple economies of scale. The more they make, the less each individual unit costs.
People who don't need trucks but want them anyway are the main force driving what types of trucks go to market. If it weren't for that performative nonsense, automakers would go back to their primary market: practical work vehicles, without all the family suv bells and whistles. Therefore, cheaper.
All trucks are not built the same, that's my point. I want a truck that's a truck, not a minivan masquerading as a truck.
He's not really wrong. A Ford pickup can be beat to hell, and u can source just about any part on the truck within a 20 minute drive. When your pay relies on your transportation and hauling, time is money. A truck made of a giant piece of sheetmetal and something that needs to go back to Tesla for any issue won't cut it.
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