The reason that Firefox sucked ass for so long in speed and features was because xul was an unbeatable burden to maintain. Also, firefoxs extensions are still the most powerful out of any browser
Open Source is great because bad CEOs can’t really threaten the source code.
Most of the time this is true, but for browser engines it’s different because of their sheer size, complexity, need to adhere and collaborate with others to form web standards, need for security experts, day one vulnerability patches, etc.
If Mozilla dies, LibreWolf can’t just pick up the slack. They die too. Volunteers alone can’t run a modern web engine, it takes hundreds of millions per year to upkeep.
There’s a reason why we’re down to just Google, Apple, and Mozilla. Nobody wants to foot that bill unless they have a damn good reason for doing so.
It’s probably more expensive to maintain a browser engine than a full operating system at this point.
I’ll never understand why Microsoft dropped their engine. They can afford to develop it and it would’ve been a great advantage vs Google. I mean, it wouldn’t have helped open source folk either way, but I just don’t get why they dropped it.
Yeah, I was hoping MS could make a competent engine with a fresh start. I wouldn’t even be mad if it was Windows only. Now Edge is just another Microsoft L
Because they now have to go along with most things that Google says. They’re reliant on Google now, they have to do what daddy tells them.
Add to that, they’ve conceded any sway in setting web standards, granting Google more control to push the web in the direction that benefits Google and harms competition.
Perhaps we should take the clue and - if we also see clues of Mozilla enshittifying - switch globally to an easier internet that’s also easier to program for. Something like Gemini (the post-Gopher thingy, not Google’s latest fad) for example, where I take it maintaining a browser is nowhere near the same order of magnitude as complex.
Hey if we can bend that out of shape to use the open source model mixtral. I been specifically trying to get locallama to organize my tabs and bookmarks into something usable for a while already.
Sure, the normies get AI advertising but we’ll get to repurpose for our own use.
Would you call any of those successful products ‘good’ tho? Yes they have made a lot of money but at the same time…2 of 3 are straight up evil. Ebay…eh. Could be worse. Thats the best I can say for them. Paypal has straight up stolen people’s money on countless occasions and gotten away with it. Then there was that huge violin fiasco. Airbnb is flat out a part of destroying the housing market, they know this, they don’t care.
I get it, most big companies are ‘menaces’ like you say but…these are absolutely horrible companies responsible for true evil and, odds are, he’s going to bring that energy to Mozilla.
Assuning thats normally for hotels and such, not as easily, no. AirBnB's specific purpose is to remove barriers of entry for hosting people in your property. Initially that meant renting one of your rooms to a traveler on the cheap. Now it means companies that would otherwise have to jump through tons of regulatory hoops to put their properties on booking sites.
Not to mention... even if its the same, then its the same and still not a useful service, yeah? It's just another booking service. Which, coincidentally, mostly extracts fees.
No, but you are bringing up the merrits of an equally evil company and said thiet success is a sign of why they should be at the helm. I’m just trying to understand this.
Air bnb is not evil, it’s people exchanging services for money. They just resolve disputes, show reviews, etc.
The difference with PayPal is that they are not in any business, so they can’t necessarily resolve disputes other than relating to the payment itself. But the credit card issuer has exactly the same job, so PayPal is an extraneous intermediary
Air BNB is, knowingly, helping to destroy the housing market. It’s so bad cities are talking about banning them because of how they are driving up prices.
I don’t really disagree, but what do you want as an organization, someone that built a “good” product that nobody ever used and fell into obscurity? Or someone that built a product that attracted and retained millions of users that you might consider “bad”? And tbh, most of the “bad” from these products is just because of their size and monopoly, which would arguably be a good problem to have for Mozilla.
Probably an easy choice if I was on the board.
Also, not that it matters to our discussion but just as a minor correction, the new CEO is a woman.
So you can’t. There are cert stores, new protocols and ciphers, and eventually u patched zero days.
I know this because I’ve been playing with a g3 powerboat and all the browsers at this point are no longer maintained to support the above things as of last year. The last person working on it gave up
Not much of problem. Run in a VM, disable certificate validation. Html5 and javascript is still going to last a long long time. Anything that can’t run with that is soydev shit and you don’t need it.
Yeah the Airbnb, PayPal, eBay pedigree has me more concerned than anything. I wouldn’t want any of Mozilla’s stuff to be anything close to these things.
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