TimeSquirrel,
TimeSquirrel avatar

This is what happens when they know you won't leave.

"But muh games...and Linux is too difficult and weird"

I say to those: well then you've made your choice, didn't you? It's going to keep happening, like it's been since the 90s.

Prethoryn,
@Prethoryn@lemmy.world avatar

Why is the target of your comment towards people that use Windows?

I am not sure why People on Lemmy feel like if they point something out to people who can’t see the comment is going to get them to change their mind.

I have and use both Linux and Windows. I prefer both for different reasons.

TimeSquirrel,
TimeSquirrel avatar

I know I'm talking into the void. I'm not trying to change anyone's mind. I'm too tired of trying to do that. Just trying to get people to realize they made the choices they have to live with.

sadreality,

Every time microshit does a creepy thing, Linux desktop gets a few more users. It ain't fast but it is happening.

Reptorian,

What about people who needs NURBS tools and Affinity/Adobe class art softwares? Where do they go that corporations decided Windows and Mac are only to be supported? And believe me, plenty of them hates Windoze and I’m one of them.

CosmicCleric,
@CosmicCleric@lemmy.world avatar

Those will not run under/with emulation?

foo,

Autodesk seems to be inconsistent with emulation. I can make fusion 360 run but not other tools.

Reptorian,

My issue is more Rhino and Solidworks. If Blender actually can render NURBS and retesselate from NURBS to polygon, I can pretty much ditch Autodesk Maya as that’s the only reason I use Autodesk Maya.

Reptorian,

Solidworks/Rhino probably can work under VM, but I don’t know.

LodeMike,

Dual boot if you’re up for it.

foo,

Dual booting kinda sucks. It fragments your workflow and it is pretty disruptive compared to just being able to move to whatever you need to move to.

acockworkorange,

Run windows on a VM.

foo,

That’s better but assuming they have a system that can run windows in a VM at native resolution it’s still a broken workflow that won’t attract people to Linux.

Look Linux is my daily driver, my entire lab is Linux. We use a combination of Debian, fedora, and rhel. I’m not opposed to using other distros. It’s okay for working with my peers who are on windows but not the best. Easy enough to work around.

However if an important part of your workflow requires Windows, Adobe, Autodesk, the murky shit of office products, etc., then arguing for dual booting, using a VM , or a different computer isn’t going to win people to Linux. It makes proponents seem silly

Moorshou,

Why does it have to be one tool though? More of a complaint to business in that they don’t let you use other tools.

foo,

Sure and that sucks but that’s reality

Reddfugee42,

Yep,dual boot.

oo1,

Develop own software or support indepndent sw development however you can.

If you really need something, think about your personal dependencies and try to build some resilience / backups , one way or another.
Whatever your craft, a pathway towards ownership and control of tools and maintenance should be a traditional part of mastering the craft.
So that you can eventually do things like extend the toolset, or adapt tools to niche circumstances and advance things along.

If you don't have that pathway, then you might end up trapped as an apprentice or journeyperson and will continue to be exploited by those who control the things you depend on.
If there's no freedom and no way to develop competition in the supply chain, then you probably would benefit from - collective organisations such as trades-guilds, or professional associations or trade-unions to counter the power imbalance, and represent your needs - but they can also get captured/bribed so those probably need a bit of effective democracy / transparency/accountability or something. I'm not going to suggest govt regulation, becasuse that's super easy to capture and national-election democracy is a weak control, but you might get some progressive govts like some European ones that'd think about doing something suppoting foss projects, maybe.

It might not be easy, but you have to look for and support those types of features for the good of your industry.
Corps will eat their industry for a quick $, it's the workers, tradespeople and masters of the craft and some small businesses who care about the long term. And maybe any enlightened customers if you're lucky enough to have them.

As an example, for physical 3d cad, personally I don't like freecad much it's complex and not very intuitive; but it lets me do all the maths I want in python, with my own made up data structures / object model. So i'll use and support freecad 100% over all the other more user friendly CAD that i've seen - it really is the freedom, and not being so dependant.

AlexanderESmith,
AlexanderESmith avatar

I may be spoiled in that I don't play AAA multiplayer games, but I do play AAA single player and indie single/multiplayer (usually the type where one of the players is also the server, e.g. Terraria).

Been running Linux on my systems for more than a decade, and - especially since Proton/SteamDeck enchantments made their way upstream - I haven't had any major ssues (except having to wait a while to play RDR2-PC in Ubuntu because of a weird game-specific graphics card driver issue, but even that was fixed in due course).

Fuck Windows, and fuck the assertion that it's the only way to run games.

A_Random_Idiot,

Proton really did marvelous shit.

Made it so easy that even an idiot (like me) could get games running on linux without much headache. Especially nowadays, even big game titles working almost flawlessly on release day.

captain_aggravated,
@captain_aggravated@sh.itjust.works avatar

Again it might be that I pretty much don’t play competitive online games because if there’s anything that ruins gaming it’s random strangers, but I have had practically no problem playing games over the last ten years.

phoenixz,

Just install Linux already, get rid of this Microshit crap

BaardFigur,

EU, please do something about that.

nobleshift,
@nobleshift@lemmy.world avatar

Ow My Balls

dirthawker0,

Question: if you skipped signing in to Microsoft when you set up Windows, does this f’upgrade still happen?

menixator,

At this point I’m convinced that the new windows feature announcements are just ads for linux

Harbinger01173430,

*Ads for MacOS/chromeos

TankovayaDiviziya,

I don’t see any enshitiffication features and ads in Windows 11 that Lemmy and tech news are reporting. I wonder if it’s because I’m in the EU.

Syn_Attck,

New features get released into the developer preview. It’s basically beta test windows. It’s what the tech sites watch to see what new features/etc have been added/removed/changed. Usually they end up making it into the release builds, but sometimes they end up not doing it, or the change doesn’t apply to certain regions.

Kroxx,

They may have not implemented it yet. I see a lot of things reported that they are still testing.

AVengefulAxolotl,

Yeah, the start menu ads were / are ‘only’ in the beta build.

feinstruktur,
@feinstruktur@lemmy.ml avatar

Autodesk! All the others! Can you now, goddammit, for the sake of the mental health of your customers, start building your tools on platforms other than this crap? PLEASE? I mean I’m seriously considering building a parallel system running Linux for all my other office needs and just touch my Win-pc to run my CAD. I hope MS will continue in this way and ai-mercialize their OS more and more so hopefully the software providers will have enough at one point.

31337,

I’ve used FreeCAD for hobby 3d printing and plywood CNC projects. It seemed buggy, and the workflow seemed strange, but I’ve never used anything else, so it’s fine, I guess, lol.

feinstruktur,
@feinstruktur@lemmy.ml avatar

FreeCAD is of course the tool of choice for my hobby projects. All of our workgroup’s students get an introduction. But while its a great tool, you’ll notice the lack of … management (?) in the background. I’m not bashing or even judging. I very much appreciate all the work put into it. But it’s simply … not there yet to be considered a serious alternative to one of the big players.

trxxruraxvr,

At that point you might as well just use a windows VM for CAD. With desktop integration you hardly have to notice you’re using windows.

feinstruktur,
@feinstruktur@lemmy.ml avatar

I’ve certainly considered that, but have a hard time imagining a comparable performance with large assemblies. Any hands-on experiences?

trxxruraxvr,

I have used a windows vm at a previous job for a closed source IDE we were required to use. I’ve never used AutoCAD, so I’m afraid I can’t help you there.

Resol,
@Resol@lemmy.world avatar

I guess the family computer will be entirely useless to everyone else in the house but me.

psud,

Now that Linux can run pretty much all the games I play on the PC I don’t think I’m going to have much use for windows at home anymore

Harbinger01173430,

May I suggest getting a mini PC if the home PC is going to be used by everyone else at home?

Mio,

Microsoft got to much time on their hands. Can they please work on the more important stuff like completing the transition from controlpanel to settings?

dch82,

After Apple creates an iPad calculator probably…

Squizzy,

They’re researching how to make a calculator great andndo it the apple way…

dch82,

Nah, it’s because the technology hasn’t reached that level of advancement.

Calculator: Now available for iPad (M10 with FP1 floating point coprocessor)

/s

LodeMike,

No

spikederailed,

Or make Teams a not piece of shit. Even worse they had teams on Linux in the past. Now have new teams and new outlook, which are just electron…give it back to Linux please.

TheGrandNagus,

By the time they do that, they’ll have introduced a third settings app, and only four options from the current Win8/8.1/10/11 one will have been ported to it.

spyd3r,
@spyd3r@sh.itjust.works avatar

If anything, they need to revert back to control panel.

mintiefresh,

There has to be a point of diminishing returns for them with this kind of behavior. This is just so aggravating.

A_Random_Idiot,

I’d wager they are hoping to entrap as many people as they can on the platform, with their TPM restrictions, and store restrictions, and account restrictions, that sunk cost fallacy will keep the overwhelming bulk of people stuck in their web.

I’d also wager that enterprise probably doesnt have any of this bullshit

AlecSadler,

Can confirm, I run enterprise at home and have yet to see some of these shenanigans I’ve seen posted.

But there’s still enough I hate about Windows 11 that I’m slowly transitioning to Linux and then just running windows in a VM for things there aren’t good alternatives for.

Shialac,

So same strategy as Apple?

jf0314,

I tried building a Steam box with the bootleg version of SteamOS from the deck… Can’t remember the name of the distro. Steam Games ran great for the most part, but getting Epic, EA and Ubisoft to work was a nightmare. If Linux can get that sorted, I’d never use Windows again.

CosmicCleric,
@CosmicCleric@lemmy.world avatar
praise_idleness,

Not a video gamer myself and can’t love linux enough. No more searching for installers. yay all the way.

pBaesse,

Epic runs nice using Lutris 😃😃

jf0314,

I want able to get it to work unfortunately. This was a few years ago though.

rach,

I have really tried getting epic to work, but both ea and Ubisoft launchers work quite well now through Lutris

pBaesse,

Strange, was it recently?? My Epic install have been working for years (installed again a few times)

rach,

I just realized that I missed a word. I have not tried getting epic to work. Sorry for the confusion 😅

pBaesse,

HOhOHOhoHOh no problem. Anything, just ask 😁

citrusface,

Different now - works flawless with lutris

LodeMike,

What games were you trying to play

Traister101,

I mean doesn’t sound like you’re missing out on anything tbh

Kedly,

I wanted to say this, but I mean, people can choose to consume garbage if they want

jf0314,

Right. Snob all you want, but I thoroughly enjoyed Div1 and 2. AC Origins was also a lot of fun, especially for someone that grew up fascinated by ancient Egypt.

Civ6 is on EGS… Battlefield 1and5 on EA, plus the Mass Effect series…

But hey… Those games are awful, right… The chi chamber is loud today.

Kedly,

Are those games not available on Steam and GoG? And like I said, you do you. I cant stand EA and Epic, but everyone has their own lines in the sand that they will or wont cross. I specifically called EA and Epic garbage though, not the customers who’d be willing to do business with them

Suburbanl3g3nd,

Most EA and Ubisoft games I’ve played run fine on Deck. Just need to run the game in desktop mode first and then it boots in the Steam UI side of the OS just fine.

kaputter_Aimbot,

You don’t need the bootlegged version of SteamOS, there is ChimeraOS (GitHub).

Also Steam runs great on a lot of distros, I use Arch Mint btw. ;-)

For Epic Games, GOG and Amazon you can use Heroic Games Launcher (GitHub).

Piece_Maker,
@Piece_Maker@feddit.uk avatar

Heroic is amazing. Rather than running the crappy Epic client via Wine, you just install this native piece of software that then launches each game via Wine/Proton/whatever else and pretty much just works every time, complete with things like EAC

Bulletdust,

I run both the Epic Store as well as the EA App via Bottles, and I had both up and running in about ten minutes.

You can also install both launchers under Steam via Proton. The process is a little more involved, but far from difficult.

spikederailed,

Bottles and Lutris would help in this case for you.

jf0314,

It didn’t work before, maybe I’ll try it again when I have the time.

Secret300,

Yeah, it’s definitely better now then it was before believe it or not. I honestly just avoid them at all cost even on windows. I hate games that ship their own launcher even though I bought it on steam

jaemo,

So, literally every game I’ve bought on steam is playable on my Manjaro box.

Additionally, a recent KDE6 upgrade messed up my config and necessitated a full system reinstall. After remounting the partition where my steam games were installed on in the old sys, they…just worked. Even the ones that don’t cloud sync, saved games all there, DLC all there.

I don’t know how long reinstalling ~1TB of games would take on windows… a lot? Pretty sure you have to fully reinstall them, not just “point steam to the drive where they live”

Frankly I just don’t see why people tolerate windows anymore. It’s just laughably bad.

jf0314,

Like I wrote, Steam games were generally good, other storefronts, not so much.

mint_tamas,

I used to keep my steam games on a separate windows 10 partition and it worked exactly as you describe after a reinstall, it was all there. It’s still incredibly cool that this works on Linux and we get to use it as daily driver without being forced to dual boot for games. A windows installation still lingers on my desktop but it’s been years since I booted into it.

Llewellyn,

If you have games in a separate partition, then you will have no need to reinstall it even in case with reinstalling Windows, though.

You haven’t really highlighted any of the linux advantages here.

jaemo,

You haven’t really highlighted any of the linux advantages here.

I wasn’t really on that side quest, I’m only asserting it’s (apparently) as easy as Windows is. If you don’t see “not having to use windows” as an advantage, or if it’s actually an impediment to your non-game-related computer use, that’s totally fair; subjectivity is absolutely part of this. I’m just glad it all works for me in my life and that I’m lucky enough to be able to get to work on the platform I prefer.

flop_leash_973,

As much as I like Linux, and use it almost exclusively on desktop/laptop, every time I see something like this I am reminded how much I hate the fact that Apple of all companies is about the last bastion of commercial and consumer operating systems who isn’t trying to derive the bulk of their revenue from advertising.

Phoenix3875,

In some sense yes, but advertising for its own stuff is advertising too. It nudges you to use their whole ecosystem.

The most annoying thing for me is that you can’t remove the iTunes component in mission control (the settings deck).

chakan2,
@chakan2@lemmy.world avatar

It does nudge you…but it’s not full screen ads that take multiple clicks to get through every week. I was a Windows zealot through W7…W10 got bad…W11 got me to start using Apple and Linux.

RecluseRamble,

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  • Appoxo,
    @Appoxo@lemmy.dbzer0.com avatar

    Linux ain’t as mainstream as MacOS and Windows are.

    PoolloverNathan,

    …and this here, folks, is the problem.

    LodeMike,

    Yes they just derive it by keeping the Windows/MacOS duopoly in place and monopolizing communication channels.

    SuperSpruce,

    Even Apple is falling. Their ad business (yes, they have one) makes billions and is the fastest growing part of the company. The app store is already quite ad-riddled, and the other parts of iOS are geared to get you to subscribe to all the Apple services.

    ekZepp,
    @ekZepp@lemmy.world avatar

    This sound like something they would totally do.

    NotMyOldRedditName,

    Next up, an ad anytime an executable is run!

    catloaf,

    Everything could be operated by ads. Run a program? Watch an ad. Open the start menu? Watch an ad.

    MeDuViNoX,

    You don’t HAVE to watch the ads, just subscribe to Windows 11 platinum for 20$ a month. /s

    dch82,

    Are you sure you want to run an untrusted executable? Microsoft Store contains lots of safe, curated apps that are 100% definitely not crappy ad-filled spyware.

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