faab64, en-us

UK democracy in action : Waving Palestinian flag may be a criminal offence, Braverman tells police

Home secretary also suggests clampdown on pro-Arab chants in letter that will concern free speech advocates

Waving a Palestinian or singing a chant advocating freedom for Arabs in the region may be a criminal offence, Suella Braverman has told senior police officers.

In a letter to chief constables in and , the home secretary urged them to clamp down on any attempts to use flags, songs or swastikas to harass or intimidate members of the Jewish community.

Her words, which follow deadly attacks by on Israelis and a response, will deeply concern of speech advocates and members of the community.

In the letter, said police should not restrict themselves to potential offences related to the promotion of Hamas, a proscribed organisation.

www.theguardian.com/politics/2…

zleap,
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@faab64

Well there is little point arresting people there is no room left in the prisons. We can't even jail people who rob, rape or do other serious crimes.

It would be up to the authorities to PROVE your banner was in support of Hamas. Could be difficult that.

faab64,

@zleap
They will not put them in jail but fine them heavily.

bonifartius,
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@faab64 @zleap which means they will be jailed if they are unable to pay

zleap,
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@bonifartius @faab64

Or just released as there is no room in the prison.

The UK is a laughing stock.

Saying that

If the UK government agree that what Israel is doing to the Palestinians in Gaza is self defence does this mean that if we are robbed or raped etc by someone we can go after them and beat them in to total submission and claim self defence?

Could solve the issue of not putting people in prison who burgle or rape people we just beat them to death instead.

NOT that I am in anyway advocating this level of violence.

bonifartius,
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@zleap @faab64
> Or just released as there is no room in the prison.

they will make room for these cases and release some real criminals.

> If the UK government agree that what Israel is doing to the Palestinians in Gaza is self defence does this mean that if we are robbed or raped etc by someone we can go after them and beat them in to total submission and claim self defence?

states (or state like actors) can't have natural rights. you can't compare states doing war to rape or robbery.

rapists and robbers are getting away with just a few years in jail here in germany. if you kill in self defense someone who tries to rape or rob you, the state then tries everything possible to put you in jail for it. it's absolutely ridiculous. but i'm rambling.

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