I guess this is the next chapter in the endless middle-east war. The British & French got exactly what they wanted when they drew up those borders. It’s truly tragic how many people are going to die in the next decade because of religious and nationalistic despots and their egos.
This has very little to do with the colonial borders drawn by the British and French almost 100 years ago. Rather it’s animosity due to more recent events. In this case, Israel’s betray of the Iranian people right before the revolution of 1979.
Lots of false equivalances related to this war but being against Israel bombing an embassy in another country is not the same as supporting Iran. You don’t have to choose between Israel and Iran, you have to choose between Israel and international law / human rights.
Phrasing it as “if you don’t support Israel then you support Iran (or Hamas, Hezbolla etc.)” is to disregard the importance of international law and the fact that it applies to everyone.
And no: you’re using the same tactics currently you always decry the “Zionists” using. You’re seeing a article about Party A and immediately cry “but what about party B, you Antimesites Zionists”
You’re not a lick better than them, you just root for the other team.
More like seeing event B which was caused by event A and saying “check out event A.” It’s not whataboutism. It’s literally cause and effect. Israel has promised a response to these attacks. These attacks were a response to an attack. Which part of it should be ignored?
How is retaliation for an act of war indiscriminate? Bombing an embassy isn’t like accidentally parking across two spaces. It’s a gross violation of international law.
Your honor putting aside my crimes for a moment is it really justifiable to send me to jail for no reason? Remember now, we are only talking about sending me to jail we’re not talking about all those things I did
This is a deeply flawed analogy. We are not talking about the actions of Israel but the Response of Iran being illegal: targeting civilian targets, forbidden by the rules of war.
A better analogy would be: The law says a criminal should be punished with a maximum of 5 years in prison, but the judge hands out 20 years.
What the judge did was still wrong and illegal, no matter what the criminal did.
If you want to live in a world where everyone can bomb everyone, just remember why we introduced those rules and how many nations have nukes today.
But youre still ignoring the context that it’s in response to an illegal attack by Israel. If Israel isn’t being held accountable then Iran knows that it won’t either, in which case what’s illegal have to do with it? Either that or Iran will be held accountable and Israel won’t, in which case illegal isn’t the issue here, rather hypocracy and favoratism.
So you’re saying that we should hold neither accountable because they both did something, do I understand that correctly? Because that sounds like an awful solution.
No, I’m saying Israel has not right to complain. If you punch someone in the face, you don’t get to complain when they punch you back. You also shouldn’t get backup for it.
Your reply has nothing relevant. “You are right Biden does Genocide but somehow this is Trumps fault and that’s all Putins masterplan”.
Just accept that there is no difference between the Republicunts and Genocrats. When both are supporting literal Genocide it must require severe mental gymnastics to keep believing in that fairy tale of American democracy.
This is so disconnected from reality. The most obvious flaw is the blatant fact that nobody loves Trump and wants Trump to win more than Netanyahu. Israel is a chud-nation.
I think I understand your point of confusion. The original comment said this has been going on for thousands of years, and I meant to say that it only began around 1917. Although there was an Ottoman occupation before the brief Arab rule period, the Ottoman occupation did not have the turmoil and issues associated with the Zionist occupation.
They weren’t colonized that’s for sure, they were (mostly) Muslim Arabs in a country where being a Muslim/Arab was normal and didn’t imply you had less rights or straight up didn’t deserve life.
The Biden administration expects Iran will also launch dozens of cruise missiles and ballistic missiles targeting Israeli government sites, not civilians or religious sites, a U.S. official said.
And Israel got 99% of what was launched, is it not suspicious they suck at intercepting diy dumb rockets but somehow get near perfect intercepts on higher tech guided munitions?
The Iran launches were a country away. So a lot more time to target, the diy stuff is coming from a lot closer so less time to prep. They can hit the stuff coming out of Lebanon pretty accurately too.
Israel has killed more civilians in the past six months than the rest of the world has in like 5 years. Absolutely ignorant to say “targeting civilians” is bad and not point that out.
I support Iran’s defensive actions against Israeli aggression. I hope Iran chooses military and intelligence targets instead of civilian ones, in compliance with international law, despite Israel targeting primarily civilians in their war of conquest.
No one reading your comment will take you seriously when you claim OP said something they didn’t say. You realize the comment is right there for us to read, right?
You’re supporting widening the war. You’re supporting more suffering and death. There is no genocide against Iran. Iran is stirring up trouble, widening the war, involving more and more people. That’s bad
Iran intentionally caused all of this when they had Hamas attack in October. The whole point of Hamas starting shit was to derail peace talks between Israel and the Saudis. With one of the main focus areas being an official Palestinian state.
Israel blew up a compound where the IRGC was training Hezbollah. Go look up who died in the attack, no one’s refuting that bit of data. Hezbollah’s been in open conflict with Israel for months now.
Are you really so naive to think that blowing up another country’s embassy on another country’s sovereign soil is all hunky dory because “muh terrorism”? Embassies are civilian objects. To not expect retaliation for such a thing is incredibly stupid. Israel knew what it was doing.
Israel is trying to widen the war. The Iranian response fairly tame and measured as usual. Like when we illegally killed their general in Iraq and they casually hit our bases there.
And yet… Not two days ago I was here telling people that Biden’s saber rattling was fucking stupid and was met with “no it’s gonna be effective to stop Iran retaliating against an illegal attack on its embassy”.
Well, there are people who answer to him based on his job position. So, that’s not correct. But a more appropriate response to your ham-fisted comment, might be: Trump answers to more people than Biden.
Fair, what I should have said was that people don’t want to answer to Biden because he has no clue what he’s actually doing. It’s more likely that people are answering to Biden’s babysitters.
It’s not their job to answer to Biden. Also, they better not “answer” to any president, as it’s literally not the presidents job to control them.
Look, I get it, you don’t like Biden. I’m not a huge fan either. But if you don’t vote for him, you vote for Trump. And he is going to make things worse for you in unimaginable ways.
Oh, I’m not going to vote for either of them. And when the president, whoever it happens to be, ends up running the country into the ground, I fully intend on leaving. I have already begun looking into what it would take to get a citizenship somewhere else and and pulling all of my money out of the dollar and keeping it in other assets that will hold their value.
Glad to know you’ve already accepted defeat, I wish you the best trying to get into another country. I hope you’re a young educated professional in a growing industry, or you might find it’s harder than you think. I’d suggest starting now, as it can take years.
Supporting either side in this idiotic war over religion is stupid. That said, I don’t know what anyone expected Iran to do after Israel bombed their embassy.
Personally I think Iran kinda spoiled ever getting to complain about foul play involving foreign embassies, what I’m more interested in here is how far the US is gonna go in retaliation, because obviously they’re gonna do something here, I’m just wondering how much it’ll be and in what form.
Personally if I was making the call, I’d sweep the IDF out of Gaza altogether and relegate them to “defensive line duty”, or more accurately “DON’T YOU FUCKING DARE TOUCH ANYTHING YOU GENOCIDAL MORONS.”, and then kill two birds with an army of drones, Iran just invited destruction onto all of their war material production shit and Russia is probably shitting bricks that their entire reserve strategy just got exposed to causus belli.
Russia is gleefully rubbing their hands because they know the US public can literally only keep one thought in their heads at once and this grantees political apathy towards the Russian invasion.
Maybe not though. Russia needs all the drones they can get from Iran. Israel making Iran focus on them negates part of the supply support Russia requires for Ukraine.
Iran and China are 100% necessary. That’s where Russia is getting components from. Russia mostly doing final assembly. Reports nearly weekly bring up Chinese and even US made components being found in Russian equipment.
Well, Iran was providing weapons to various groups that were fighting Israel. The target Israel hit was a military target that supposedly was a meeting of high ranking personnel from various groups. Iran’s involvement is typically indirect and involves support through these proxies rather than direct confrontation. This strategy allows Iran to confront Israeli interests without engaging in open warfare.
Again, I don’t think any country should be fighting or providing military aid to fight indirectly (this includes the US providing weapons to Israel). The world is a terrible place and we should be focusing on making it better, not having petty squabbles over land.
Genocide is the intentional and systematic destruction, in whole or in part, of an ethnic, racial, religious, or national group. This includes actions such as killing members of the group, causing serious bodily or mental harm to members of the group, deliberately inflicting conditions of life calculated to bring about its physical destruction, imposing measures intended to prevent births within the group, and forcibly transferring children of the group to another group. The concept was defined in international law by the Convention on the Prevention and Punishment of the Crime of Genocide (1948).⬤
So continue to get walked all over. Makes sense. Israel has been illegally hitting Iranian targets in Syria for years and years, Israel had the US assassinate Soleimani, yet Iran never responded in kind. But bombing and embassy was an obvious last straw.
Israel didn’t do shit to make us kill Soleimani. Soleimani was literally meeting with someone who we blamed for an attack on the US embassy in Iraq. He was the other person killed in the strike. Iran knew they fucked up there, which is why their response was throwing a fairly ineffective barrage at a military base and then shooting down their own civilian airliner.
It does seem extremely likely that israel was involved in this as getting America in a war with Iran is something israel would absolutely love. Trump is directly throwing Netanyahu under the bus here for seemingly no reason.
There are also other reports being sourced in the article:
Between the lines: It’s unclear if Trump’s anger is entirely justified. A senior Israeli defense official told me that Israel proposed a more active role for Israeli forces but the U.S. insisted on being the ones to execute the
Israel also provided the U.S. with key intelligence support, including tracking Soleimani’s cellphone, Yahoo News
The former senior U.S. official said Trump’s anger wasn’t totally warranted, but that he put the episode into the same box he had put his feelings for NATO — of allies wanting the U.S. to do their fighting for them.
Just like the Iraq invasion also turned out to have heavy israeli pressure to attack Iraq behind it. And Syria… Israel has a rather large track record for pushing America to attack their enemies in the Middle East.
Preface: I have no favorite in that conflict, I’m just answering your question. They’re all being children imo.
On the broader topic, Iran’s significant support for Hezbollah in Lebanon and Hamas in Gaza, both of which are considered major security threats by Israel, has been a central factor driving Israeli military actions. Iran supplies these groups with financial aid, weapons, and training, enhancing their capabilities against Israel.
Regarding the specific target in Syria, I assume this Israel’s attempt to prevent Iran from gaining a strategic position to launch attacks against Israel.
There have been conflicts in this region for a very long time. They are pretty much always at war.
You can just support international law, you don’t have to choose between Israel and Iran. Embassies are considered soverign soil of the nation they represent and so bombing an embassy is a direct attack on another country. When Russia invaded Ukraine in 2022 they got sanctioned by the international community. There are plenty of other examples in recent history of consequences for aggression. The only question is why is Israel exempt from consequences that apply to other countries? That’s what this false dichotomy (Israel vs. Iran/Hamas/Hezbollah etc.) is trying to mask- instead of asking why Israel is exempt from legal consequences it changes the dialogue to “if you don’t support Israel then you support terrorism” and thereby nullifies international law since the law is applied selectively.
What I see is that in general, the big powers, as in the US and China don’t hold their close allies accountable. It’s not like China held Russia to account for Bucha or Ukraine in general.
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