China is giving Russia significant support to expand weapons manufacturing as Ukraine war continues, US officials say

China is helping Russia ramp up its defense industrial base at such a large scale that Moscow is now undertaking its most ambitious expansion in military manufacturing since the Soviet era as it continues its war against Ukraine, according to senior Biden administration officials.

The support China is providing includes significant quantities of machine tools, drone and turbojet engines and technology for cruise missiles, microelectronics, and nitrocellulose, which Russia uses to make propellant for weapons, said the officials.

Chinese and Russian entitles have also been working jointly to produce drones inside of Russia, one of the officials said.

YeetPics,
@YeetPics@mander.xyz avatar

Huh, so those hilariously noisy tankies DO support imperial, genocidal regimes whose only goals are the capture of foreign land.

I guess all those tankies are LIBS

Syringe,

Excellent! We’re going to start applying critical sanctions and economic pressures since China is supporting an event of the US… right? RIGHT!?!

No? Oh. We’re going to sit on our asses and watch the eradication of the Ukrainian people. Swell

YeetPics,
@YeetPics@mander.xyz avatar

Putin is so fucking weak LOLOLOL

affa,

Right…

YeetPics,
@YeetPics@mander.xyz avatar

He’s taking handout from a neighbor. You don’t do that if you have a winning hand.

slurpeesoforion,

Russia is China’s proxy now, whether they admit it to themselves or not.

resetbypeer,

We have to start understanding that Russia and Iran backed by China are fighting a war against the west. We got to understand that all what is happening now is not a coincidence. China has been step by step showing its colors. This could be the 21st century version of the axis in the 1940s and ppl need to wake up because what might be now far from my bed show, could change over the next few years.

TokenBoomer,

”a war against the west”

A war against capitalism and American Imperialism.

Brunbrun6766,
@Brunbrun6766@lemmy.world avatar

“war against capitalism”

Don’t fool yourself into believing China is communist though. At this point they’re just a different flavor of capitalism.

My Chinese history professor said that every citizen is a good member of the communist party, and every smart citizen buys and sells at the Shanghai stock exchange.

cecinestpasunbot,

China doesn’t claim to have a communist economic system though. They understand perfectly well that they have a market economy. Their rationale for this apparent contradiction is that they believed they couldn’t grow quickly enough in isolation. They thought that by building a market economy they could trade with the western world and therefore rapidly develop. I think that gambit has clearly paid off. It’ll be interesting to see what decisions China makes once their economy is strong enough that the US cannot legitimately threaten it.

drmoose,

So what communist system do they have? Control of idiots? I’m genuinely confused when I encounter “china communism” discussions as it always turns into shrodinger’s semantics.

I think China has been very clear with their image projection: it’s a totalitarian regime that only cares about Han chinese.

cecinestpasunbot, (edited )

They don’t have a communist system. As I said, they don’t claim to have one either. It’s not Schrödinger semantics. They do want to build a post scarcity society where every person is given the resources they need to thrive, aka communism. During the Mao era they thought they could achieve that through revolutionary fervor. After the failure of many of Mao’s campaigns they turned towards a model that prioritized economic growth. That meant they were willing to leverage a market economy for however long it was useful.

You can just go and read their self assessment on past actions and their development plans. They aren’t shy about it and there’s no real indication they’re lying about their intentions. They’re pretty explicit about why they think maintaining the political supremacy of the CPC is important.

They also don’t put out any statements to indicate they believe in Han supremacy. That’s honestly silly to me especially when you consider the vast ethnic and cultural diversity that’s contained within the Han ethnic group. The CPC is however very concerned about maintaining national integrity which means they do suppress independence movements within the country. That goes for both ideological movements such as the protests in Hong Kong and Taiwanese independence or ethnic movements as in Tibet and Xinjiang.

TokenBoomer,

Do yourself a service and learn of their plans for the future. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xi_Jinping_Thought is an interesting read.

boredtortoise,

Building a cryptofascist empire will turn into a luxurious fully automated communism with a push or a button surely any day now…

TokenBoomer,

Wrong:

According to Xi, “the consolidation and development of the socialist system will require its own long period of history… it will require the tireless struggle of generations, up to ten generations.”

boredtortoise,

No, a convenient excuse. There’s no evidence of such and belief doesn’t cut it

TokenBoomer,

There’s plenty of evidence that they are doing what they said they would do. They just plan long term instead of the fiscal quarters we do here in the West:

China’s Xi promises a nationalized scientific and high-tech industry amid chip bans

They can nationalize any industry, any sector of their economy, at any time.

boredtortoise,

The people today kinda live in a temporary fascism with the promise that some day some future generation might live in a garden of Eden

TokenBoomer,

Think about it. If 1.4 billion people were starving and unhappy, don’t you think there would be wall to wall coverage on the evening news? China has problems like any other country, but they managed to lift their people out of poverty and industrialize. Hate them all you want, it doesn’t make a difference to them.

boredtortoise,

I have no hate, I can’t personally have any agency. It’s the hypocrisy we recognize

TokenBoomer,

How do you know it’s hypocritical if you don’t know what the ten affirmations are, what the 14 commitments are, and what the 13 achievements are? You know nothing of Xi Jinping Thought other than what you’ve heard from capitalist driven media.

YeetPics,
@YeetPics@mander.xyz avatar

In support of (drumroll) eastern capitalism and eastern imperialism.

You can’t have the moral high ground and also be playing the same shitty game with the same shitty tactics.

TokenBoomer,

Don’t say I didn’t try:

Special economic zones (SEZs) in mainland Chinaare granted more free market-oriented economic policies and flexible governmental measures by the government of China, compared to the planned economy elsewhere.

YeetPics,
@YeetPics@mander.xyz avatar

🤣 weird, that’s exactly what I would say…

TokenBoomer,

Nice. You got me.

rayyy,

This war is also being waged through psyops programs, or “hybrid” warfare", where most who are compromised haven’t a clue that they have been owned by the adversary. The Republican party and right wing news are prime examples.

copd,

Don’t worry, our military leaders have known this for multiple decades. The public (you) is only just finding out now

cecinestpasunbot,

You know Russia and Israel are on good terms right? The facts are that Israel refused to sanction Russia even after they invaded Ukraine. Netanyahu also refused to send arms to Ukraine citing the potential for them to end up in Iranian hands. This is less surprising if you know that about a fifth of Israel’s population are Russian speakers and as a result the countries maintain close ties.

If you really think Iran, Russia, and China are part of some axis of evil then you’re living in a Bush era fantasy realm. When you’re not steeped in propaganda, it’s easy to see that they’re all just trading partners with a limited set of mutually aligned interests.

Adm_Drummer,

https://lemmy.world/pictrs/image/f64682c4-a185-47b4-a444-1f66e582a1a7.webp

cecinestpasunbot,

Thank you! I totally forgot that easily verifiable facts are actually just propaganda when Adm_Drummer says so. I’ll be more careful next time.

slaacaa, (edited )

Decades of propaganda to divide the West have already been part of the war effort, and seems like it worked. There is a reason Russia meddled in US election, and why it finances EU right-wing parties and organizations.

This is the cold war pt. 2, which might turn into WW3 if we are unlucky. The EU might step up in the long term, but in the short term it all depends on the US. If they take a step back from the world stage in the next few years, we will lose.

ininewcrow,
@ininewcrow@lemmy.ca avatar

China America is giving Russia Israel significant support to expand weapons manufacturing as UkraineGaza war continues

… not so acceptable when someone else does the same thing. I love this world of double standards.

vin,

It’s not double standard. It’s a single standard - one superpower, American hegemony etc.

glimse,

Two things can be bad at once without needing to bring up one when discussing the other. It turns out the world isn’t all that simple

SnipingNinja,

I think it’s valid as a call out against the US official saying this

copd,

Yeah every nation does this, don’t be put off by your downvotes from the American Lemmy population.

You’re right

drmoose,

The west supports country that aligns with their values and not literal terrorists? SHOCKEDPIKACHU

Land_Strider,

Not literal terrorists? Israel? I believe you can’t find a more terrorist state on Earth at the moment.

affa,

Terrorism means waging war with the west without spending a lot of money.

Genocide, on the other hand…

affa,

Great point.

It’s almost like nations are just looking out for their rich people while everyone else is a useful idiot squabbling over bullshit.

hark,
@hark@lemmy.world avatar

Calling out American hypocrisy is not allowed. That’s to be labeled “whataboutism” and then dismissed because reasons.

Seriously though, I’m looking through these posts and seeing the same dumb bullshit that bush jr spewed about “axis of evil” being parroted unironically. There’s an old saying in Tennessee—I know it’s in Texas, probably in Tennessee—that says, “Fool me once, shame on… shame on you. Fool me—you can’t get fooled again.”

wintermute_oregon,

That is very concerning as America’s ability to build weapons is severely degraded.

Woovie,

Who sold you your crack? I want some because I can’t afford healthcare to fix my health issues due to the military complex I live within, but I gotta stop this pain somehow.

YeetPics,
@YeetPics@mander.xyz avatar

Weird that they’re singlehandedly carrying out the world biggest baddest genocide with such degraded abilities, huh?

What do they call it when your enemy is wildly weak and also incomprehensibly strong?

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