When Palestinians protest peacefully, no one listens, nothing changes, and they get killed by Israeli forces.
When people in the US have tried to support Palestinians by boycotting Israeli products and divesting institutions of Israeli investments, lawmakers have passed laws banning such boycotts.
When Palestinians protest violently, they get bombed and killed at a much faster rate by Israeli forces.
Israel will almost certainly kill at least 10x as many civilians in their campaign than Hamas militants did; Israel’s foreign minister has already said that Israel is going to end up killing civilians unintentionally (“unintentionally”), and that the world needs to cut them slack in advance. The US will continue to support Israel, both because evangelicals believe Jews need to control Jerusalem in order for Jesus to return (“return”), and because recognizing the apartheid nature of Israel would condemn our own treatment of Native Americans.
Haaretz is being v critical of Netanyahu and on top of the decades of occupation of Gaza and West Bank I’m inclined to agree. Escalating racial violence to protect his own career, bro might as well have sent the call to Hamas HQ himself.
The Israel/Palestine situation feels a lot like the situation between Native Americans and European settlers. You can’t move into an already occupied place and try to dominate or displace the native inhabitants without expecting violent resistance. (And go figure the British are largely to blame for this too).
With Israel and Palestine it is hard to say one side of the other is totally on the wrong and the other is totally in the right because they are killing each other. With native Americans, it is possible to say Native Americans are 100% in the right.
what makes you say the palestine struggle is any different than that of natives or colonized people anywhere in the world (be it Haiti, North Africa, South Africa).
they are all a colonized people experiencing the same struggle of oppression, with no ability to move freely or exercise any sovereignty.
I was specifically talking about North American natives who haven’t had any battles against their occupiers in more than a century. I would argue that continued fighting would have led to their extermination and by ceasing killing they were able to claw back some of their sovereignty and rights.
I understand that in an asymmetric war, the underdogs may need to act immorally to ensure their own survival. At the same time, I find it hard to stomach the intentional targeting of noncombatants.
Stop ignoring history Jews were living on that territory for thousands of years, unlike Europeans un America. You are conveniently ignoring facts which would immediately render your analogy completely bogus.
Case A: population X came to a new land and killed almost all of population Y which lived there before.
Case B: population X came back to their homeland, got attacked by population Y, won the war, didn’t not kill population Y, regularly tried to establish truce with population Y which continues to refuse the population X’s right to exist.
Their homeland? It wasn’t their homeland for hundreds of years. The Zionist movement displaced people already living there who had nothing to do with a conflict that occurred hundreds of years prior. They didn’t kill the Palestinians outright but they sure as hell did a good job of systematically stripping them of their rights to exist.
Their stated goal from the beginning was to invade and establish a religious state where people were already living similar to what Europeans did when they colonized the Americas.
You can say it’s all Israel’s fault, but at no point in history have the Palestinians ever been willing to accept a peace deal that didn’t include a clause that would make Israel either unable to defend itself (borders narrower than Central Park) or be voted out of existence (the consequence of Right of Return).
Palestinians have spent over half a century living under the absurd delusions that if they keep fighting, someday, magically Israel is going to just say, “gosh, you’re right. We’ll just disband our country and move to… Uh… Somewhere.”
The cold, hard fact is that even with the constant threat of terrorism, Israel has continued to thrive, while Palestinians continue to sink deeper into poverty.
If Palestinians loved their children more than they hate Israel, they could end this tomorrow by accepting that they’ll never get Israel proper back, but they could live in peace and with autonomy in Gaza and the West Bank with their own state.
Honestly, is like the entire concept of cutting their losses just never even occurred to them.
And since they have spent the better part of a century trying (and occasionally succeeding) to murder Israel children, I’m all out of sympathy for them.
they are right. gaza is an apartheid state. all power to the palestinians
Isreal has a blockade of goods into gaza, determining which goods go in and which do not. Israel determines the amount of food that can enter Gaza, and in leaked documents has been found saying they “need to put palestinians on a diet”, reducing the amount of food entering an already poverty-stricken region.
Israel controls the electricity that flows into Gaza, and they regularly bomb the one power-plant that exists in Gaza.
The reason Israel’s actions are despicable here is because they are targeting civilians. Attacks on civilians cannot be condoned. Unfortunately Palestine is guilty of this too.
To be honest, they are right. I’m not condoning Hamas, but we could have had peace if the Israel conservative party was so hell bent in pushing an antisemitism against Palestine for so many years.
Oh for sure, they definitely have their own agendas and are taking advantage of the situation to try and advance it, but that doesn’t make it any less true
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