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dannekrose

@dannekrose@kilioa.org

Welcome to my little kbin instance and account.

ゲームが好きです。配信もしています。気軽に楽しくやりましょう。ゲーム以外もいろいろな趣味があります。よろしくお願いします。Playing Games. Streaming Games. Games for everyone. I have some hobbies outside of games, too. Nice to meet you.

(He/Him/His)

#gaming #dnd #twitch #ttrpg #xbox #xboxSeriesX #games #Bilingual #casualGames #ConsoleGaming #dndj #dnd5e #adhd #日本語 #adhd

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BeHereNow, to kbinMeta
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How do just show posts from mags I am subbed to?

also what is the diff between an upvote and a boost and why do we have both options?

thanks

dannekrose,
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@BeHereNow
You can see just the magazines you're subscribed to by clicking/tapping the little list mark next to your user name in the top right.

As for other questions, there is this kbin-specific FAQ that might help answer some of that.

https://kbin.social/m/kbinfaqs@kilioa.org/t/20459/A-small-FAQ-to-hopefully-help-new-users-to-kbin

dannekrose,
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@ppptan

This FAQ gives a little bit of some details I managed to figure out as it relates to kbin.

https://kbin.social/m/kbinfaqs@kilioa.org/t/20459/A-small-FAQ-to-hopefully-help-new-users-to-kbin

I think it's because your post tagged the lemmy community that it showed up.

dannekrose,
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@ppptan

Correct. The post was associated with the magazine/community. It was created on kbin inside a magazine so it was associated with the magazine in the same way a Mastodon user could insert the community address in the Mastodon post and have their post show up in the Lemmy instance in the Community area.

What Kbin is doing differently is that it's accepting posts from the wider fediverse which was created on platforms "unaware" of communities or magazines. Lemmy ignores those unless they contain specific community addresses, but kbin doesn't and instead routes those based on hashtags or to the "random" magazine. You can see in the "random" magazine tons of microblog posts which don't seem to be related to anything or stand-alone posts.

A small FAQ to hopefully help new users to kbin (minor updated June 17 20:40 GMT) (kilioa.org)

I wanted to post this here since I want to help as much as I can in my own way to people coming here for the first time. I hope it is useful and helpful! I tried to assume low knowledge with the Fediverse in my responses which I collected here from a different post and assembled into a single article....

boffinbox, to science

@jerry hi, i noticed that i cannot "add" new magazines from kbin.social

specifically, when i try to add @RedditMigration, it does nothing, despite it existing at https://kbin.social/m/RedditMigration.
i checked a second one, using @BuyItForLife, also nothing

i checked this wasn't an issue with all instances by adding @science, which worked first try.
i wanted to ask if you reckon this is an issue with kbin.social, or with fedia.io? thanks :)

dannekrose,
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@boffinbox
I suspect it is because kbin.social has DDos protections enabled. That has been preventing federation into and out of kbin.social.

Crosspost: A small FAQ to hopefully help new users to kbin (updated June 11 17:00 GMT) (fedia.io)

Crosspost: Just trying to help spread information with this little FAQ I put together specific for kbin. If the Magazine mods don't want this here, please let me know and I'll remove from this magazine. That link should point to the local-to-fedia.io thread, but if not, you can also view it at the below link to the original...

/kbin logotype

A small FAQ to hopefully help new users to kbin (kilioa.org)

I wanted to post this here since I want to help as much as I can in my own way to people coming here for the first time. I hope it is useful and helpful! I tried to assume low knowledge with the Fediverse in my responses which I collected here from a different post and assembled into a single article....

/kbin logotype
dannekrose,
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Since I can't see people's comments directly on my instance, I'm going to try to quote the comment here and try to answer it.

Could you maybe include information on how to access Lemmy communities from Kbin? For example, how would go about finding
this Reddit OP's Lemmy community from Kbin.social? It doesn't appear when I search magazines.

I don't know enough about Lemmy to really know. What I can say is that I don't have issues searching for and seeing communities on the lemmy instance beehaw.org. I just tested with a new community from beehaw.org and it showed up for me as expected.

What I can speculate on is the following:

  1. Lemmy has the ability to "allow-list" instances and restrict which instances are allowed to federate with it. If the lemmy instance in question has this enabled, I can guess that it wouldn't allow federation from kbin.social. This is speculation however.
  2. Kbin doesn't support authorized fetch yet. I don't think that's at play here since I can use curl to see the community, but I can't really tell.
  3. That community in question doesn't show up on that instance's list of communities. I suspect it is because that community is marked NSFW and hidden unless you are logged into that instance and have an account.
  4. It might be a combination of these as well as the fact that the community is listed as NSFW.
dannekrose,
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Thanks for the write-up. I've been using Mastodon quite a bit the last few months, and I'm curious about how kbin interoperates with that with from a user perspective.

What happens if you you follow a kbin user from Mastodon? Do you see just their "posts" or also their replies to threads? Do you see when they post an article? Can a kbin user follow a Mastodon user?

Yes to all of these to the best of my testing!

How do hashtags interact between the two systems?

Hashtags are a good question for sure. It depends on a few factors as best I can tell.

  1. If the content was created outside kbin and federated in from a non-kbin instance (Calckey, Mastodon, etc) the microblog post will be routed to a magazine. Magazines can be configured to “listen” for certain hashtags by the owner. If an incoming post has the hashtag, that post will be added to that magazine’s microblog section. If a magazine doesn’t match the hashtag, the post will be added to the magazine called “random” that each kbin instance has as a “catch-all” for incoming content that doesn’t fit elsewhere. A l

Note: There is still much I don’t know about the exact logic used to route these posts to magazines. “How does it decide where to add the post to when there are multiple hashtags which each match separate magazines?” for example.

  1. If the content is created on kbin and sent to followers from kbin, it behaves more or less like any other post with hashtags.

What happens if you follow a kbin magazine from Mastodon? I noticed that they appear with a "Group" tag on Mastodon if searching for that "user".

Actually from what I can tell, not much. Unlike gup.pe, magazine accounts don’t boost all the content that gets created in the Magazine. The magazine accounts always shows as zero posts and replies for me.

(Edit: I could navigate to this post from Mastodon and reply to it, but it didn't show up here yet. But maybe that's due to the temporarily broken federation.)

I believe so. My instance doesn’t seem to have issues with federation very much right down as an example

dannekrose, to apexlegends
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Quick post test.

Nodachi216, to kbinMeta
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Reddit refugee here with a big question, How do we create a subreddit-like experience here?
Most discussions about kbin right now are focused on the user side of things, what about mods who want to bring their communities to kbin? I'm not talking about moving all the existing discussions and content, just making the actual place for new content and discussion complete with moderation.
Would creating a magazine do this?

dannekrose,
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@Nodachi216 Magazines are the kbin equivalent of a subreddit. They have two large categories of content, threads and microblogging. Threads are any content not a “post” while threads are articles, links, and media posts. Threads are what you see on the “front page” with posts showing up in the microblogging part of a matching magazine.

dannekrose,
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@cache_miss

When you open up kbin.social or any other kbin instance at the moment, you'll be taken to the "front page" or main page which will show a list of "threads" with the following:

  1. Up and down vote arrows to the left
  2. A title, then maybe a description or some other body.
  3. Under each entry will be the person who added it, how long ago and which magazine it was added to.
  4. There will be a comment count, boost count, and the "more" button for each of these you see on the main page.

Those are "threads" and will have one of the following types:

  1. Article
  2. Link
  3. Photo
  4. Video.

They will not be of type "post."

I used the term microblogging because that's the menu item you have to select from inside a magazine to view "posts."

Looking at my screen which is almost certainly the same as that for kbin.social, after I select a magazine via the "Magazines" menu item at the top of the front page (or some other location where the magazine link takes you to the magazine page), it shows me a new "top bar" that consists of the following:

[Site name] /m/[magazine name] Threads Microblog People Magazines.

By default, when you open a magazine page, it will have the "Threads" menu item selected. It will look similar to the front page in that it will have a list of "threads" with the up and down vote buttons to the left, a title, and some content underneath depending on the type: article, link, photo, video.

If you click the Microblog menu item, it will show a much different screen with an empty text box at the top with the built-in editor, a selection box to the bottom right with the current magazine selected already and some other options.

Below the text box you will see options for changing the ordering of the content below. The content below this box are all "posts" that either originated on this instance, or else were federated in from other platforms like Mastodon, Calckey, etc.

From a user's perspective, this is the difference between a "Thread" and "Microblog" and is a distinction I believe doesn't exist in Lemmy. (I don't actually know though, since I've never actually used Lemmy)

Under the hood, the different types - article, link, photo, video, and post - use different Activity Pub types to distinguish them. I don't know exactly for all of them, but I know kbin articles are federated as type "Page" while Mastodon, for example, sends out posts as type "Note." A "Note" is then treated as type "Post" by kbin and will not show up in the "threads" view (that's the view with the upvote and downvote buttons to the left, the nice title and content in the middle and comment counts). To view "posts", you must look at the Microblog link for the Magazine that the content was created in, or routed into if it is a new post from an outside platform.

I don't mean to sound condescending or rude so if I did, that is a lack of skill on my word choices and I apologize.

I hope that helps clear up some confusion!

@Nodachi216

dannekrose,
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@cache_miss

The Why is going to be a bit subjective so I'll try to lay out the more "concrete" differences between creating a thread (of which article is just one type) and a post.

Posts:

  1. Will federate to all your direct followers regardless of platform. If they are using a microblogging platform like Mastodon, this means it will show up in their home feeds just like any other post.
  2. Will not be seen on the "front page" by default since the default behavior is to have the "front page" show threads, not posts. A person can click the "Microblog" tab at the top to view all the posts instead, but that requires a click.
  3. Posts, unlike threads, will display the conversation without needing to click. You can compare by checking it out on kbin.social, but you'll notice that the threads on the front page will just have the opening title and a small description, but will not show the comments or replies to it. If you click on the microblogging tab, you'll see posts along with their replies automatically without need to click on them.
  4. Posts do not have subject lines. This means that typically on a platform like Mastodon, the post will show up without any content-warning masking the body.
  5. While threads are relatively widely supported on other platforms, posts are almost universal due to being a core part of the microblogging Fediverse.
  6. I don't know for sure, but I believe posts don't show up on Lemmy instances. Someone will have to correct me on that, though.
  7. Replying to the OP Post is more intuitive. To reply to a Post, you just have to click at the bottom of the OP's Post on the "reply" link. This is different in a Thread (if you're trying to reply to the OP and not a comment)

Threads:

  1. Have a subject line and a body. This means on non-kbin/lemmy instances, it is likely that any content that is federated to them (Mastodon, etc) will show with a content warning and masked body.
  2. Will potentially show on the front page by default.
  3. Can show and embed media which can be displayed by default depending on an individual user's settings.
  4. Depending on the type, will federate in unexpected ways. Links, for example, that have a description can show on Mastodon without the description (I believe) and thus makes for unexpected behavior on non-kbin platforms.
  5. Threads will give you the option to add Badges to the content when you create it. I don't know when that will be fully implemented, but I suspect it will be a way for Magazine subscribers to "customize" the presentation of their thread depending on which badge(s) are applied.
  6. Replying to the OP's initial content can be more troublesome. For a thread that has a lot of comments on it, in order to add a comment, you have to scroll to the bottom of all comments (or all the comments on the first page of comments) to see the comment box. Replying to an existing comment on a thread is easy as the comment has a "reply" link at the bottom of the comment, but for a thread, the "add a comment" box is below all the current comments.

These are just the differences that I can think of off the top of my head. Also, if I'm wrong on any of these, I hope someone corrects me.

Thank you and I hope that helps.

@Nodachi216

gunnervi, to kbinMeta
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is there a way to delete a magazine I created, or make it private/hidden/something equivalent? I made it as a test to try to understand how this platform works but I don't actually want the responsibility of managing a magazine and I don't want to steal the name from someone who might actually do something with it

dannekrose,
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@gunnervi Huh. I just noticed there doesn't seem to be any straightforward way to delete a magazine. Maybe I'm missing something somewhere, but I couldn't find anything immediately obvious.

sirvalkyerie, to kbinMeta

I run into a 500 error when trying to add moderators to my magazine. I didn't see it mentioned in the documentation, is that actually a feature that's not yet available?

dannekrose,
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@sirvalkyerie Are you adding moderators with accounts on your own instance or trying to add accounts from other instances?

dannekrose,
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I ask because I suspect that you can’t add moderators from other instances. They can be moderators for the local copy of the magazine on their own instance, but they wouldn’t be moderators on the magazine on your instance.

@sirvalkyerie

dannekrose,
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@sirvalkyerie Did you open up the Magazine Panel and then click the Moderators tab at the top?

@mma

dannekrose,
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@ch1cken
I don't know the specifics of kbin. With that said, having spent time trying to understand how "likes/favorites/stars" work between some other non-kbin and non-lemmy platforms, I think the issue is with how likes federate. Likes are pushed, not pulled. When someone "likes/favorites/stars" something, that gets pushed to all the instances that that person follows. It only happens once and the "home server/instance" that created and pushed the content in the first place doesn't repeat the incoming "like/favorite/star" activity back out. That means that unless the person who clicked "like" also happens to be connected directly to everyone else that got the initial post, only the people who got the initial post AND happen to be connected to the person (on a different server. This doesn't apply when it's all on the same server) will see the like show up on the post.

dannekrose, to random
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Test microblog post

stux, to random
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I've removed the url shortner on the u.fail domain since it was used for sharing many urls to viruses and other nasty stuff

NOP.. Even with accounts required it's hell so yeah..

The domain is still funny so if you know something what we could run on it :blobcatgiggle: 💡

dannekrose, (edited )
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@Rush I managed to set up kbin from scratch so if there are some easier-to-answer-questions, I'm happy to do so. I did it without docker, too.

The short list of what I recommend without knowing any details:

https://codeberg.org/Kbin/kbin-core/issues/26
https://codeberg.org/Kbin/kbin-core/issues/2

For the media url:

  1. I'm using nginx. I ended up creating 2 servers in there. One for the "main" kbin stuff (like you would expect) and then created the subdomain media.<kbin instance domain> with TLS certs and everything. The difference was that this subdomain pointed only to the /public/media folder in the kbin-core directories.
  2. Permissions on the public and media folders are going to cause headaches if your web server (nginx in my case) can't read them. There are some steps that might work for you in the current documentation, but I went a slightly different route to get the same results.
  3. I'm using redis, postgres, mercure (separate download and install, not the one in symfony) and to make things simple, in the Caddyfile for mercure, I used the same JWT key for subscriber and publisher since the main .env config file only gives you one spot for it.
  4. Don't forget to initialize the DB. See the above issue 26 for steps.

@stux @pax @feditips @Rush

dannekrose, to kbin

Kbin の日本語訳ができました！変な日本語だらけですが頑張りました。ぜひぜひ興味がある方がいましたらご意見とご指導を気軽によろしくお願いします。

https://kilioa.org

dannekrose,
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@reckless あ！失礼しました。Calckeyでクリックしたときに見られませんでしたので、リンクを見られませんでしたが、今Kbinからクリックするとちゃんと見られました。失礼しました。

@dannekrose @ernest

dannekrose,
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@trashHeap
For kbin.social, I see what links they have at the bottom of the main page. (Note: I'm not on kbin.social, but an instance I installed to experiment and learn)
https://kbin.social/terms

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