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Too Curious?

(art by Ed Harrington)

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isaackuo,
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@Benhm3 @nyrath

The basic idea behind a gravity tug is that it will NOT result in bits of the asteroid breaking off (which, in certain circumstances, could be a problem).

But it seems that lots of asteroids are rubble piles, and it could be worth doing the opposite approach. An anti-mining probe could just dig/melt in and then flail a chain tail around to randomly knock regolith away. Low velocity is good - maximizes thrust for power.

isaackuo,
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@nyrath

A counterintuitive aspect of using the asteroid mass itself as propellant is that you want a LOW exhaust velocity. Not only does this maximize thrust for a given amount of power, it also conveniently gets rid of asteroid mass - so it takes even less energy to deflect what's left of the asteroid.

But for this, you'd rather not waste energy on vaporizing the rock. That's a lot of energy that basically gets you nowhere.

The secret is to bang the rocks together.

isaackuo,
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@glitzersachen @nyrath

Well, I was just quoting The Hitchiker's Guide to the Galaxy "The secret is to bang the rocks together"

But anyways, any of the concepts for deflecting an asteroid could be used to deflect a small asteroid into a large asteroid - given a lucky enough circumstance of the small asteroid already being sufficiently headed toward the large one. Gravity tractor probably wouldn't work on small ones, though.

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@nyrath What's the proper size for the hero ship in a movie, TV series or RPG?
99% of the crew of the Enterprise seem to do nothing ever, not even react to the half-human.
In the three Star Wars movies the Millennium Falcon seems more a setting for interludes rather than part of the plot. As soon as the rookie gets the keys to an X-wing he's outta there. (In diapers?)
Traveller has two types of ships, depending on the types of missions the gamers are in to. With few if any NPC crewmembers.

isaackuo,
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@Hcobb @nyrath

The ideal size is not seven. Blakes 7 just couldn't ever get the hang of giving all the characters something to do.

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The first rule of Space Vikings is that ships are faster than information.
Otherwise you're battling not raiding.

isaackuo,
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@nyrath

In the meantime Matt Murdoch is running around lasing everyone and everything everywhere like a madman, maniacally laughing.

@Robert_Brandt @Hcobb @eldadoinquieto @peterdrake

isaackuo,
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@Hcobb

Another approach was used in Legend of the Galactic Heroes - remove all resources from the frontier worlds, so the liberators have nothing to liberate (other than hungry locals).

This strategy would have been political disaster for the Democratic side, but for the Imperials the locals simply had no realistic choice but to comply.

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isaackuo,
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@Robert_Brandt

The bribe has to be significantly cheaper, because it funds the continued operations of the space horde - making it easier for them to do it again, and also incentivizing them to do so.

In contrast, military action depletes resources from the space horde and incentivizes them to do something else or go elsewhere.

Of course, it's also possible to use a bribe to buy some time, to build up a more credible deterrent. It's not a binary.

@Hcobb @eldadoinquieto @nyrath @peterdrake

isaackuo,
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@Hcobb

If transport costs make it impractical to hoover all the resources from frontier worlds, an alternative is to torch the resources rather than let them be plundered.

The resources are stored with "self destruct" flame throwing and/or flooding systems. So, the raiders can't steal the resources.

Of course, if you compensate the victims when the burn system is activated, this sets up perverse incentives to game the system ...

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isaackuo,
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@Robert_Brandt

A non-military deterrent might be possible. I mentioned the idea of threatening to burn stored resources rather than allow them to be plundered.

Various difficulties like getting local buy-in to the strategy are left as an exercise for the players.

@Hcobb @eldadoinquieto @nyrath @peterdrake

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Eyeballing from @nyrath's table, my heroine hops in her butterfly ship and gets pushed at 1G by her home Dyson swarm for a year, then flips around and gets slowed at the same rate by the destination for a year and travels 1 ly. Doubling the trip time makes that almost 6 ly. https://www.projectrho.com/public_html/rocket/slowerlight3.php#relcalc

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@Hcobb @nyrath

It's going to depend on specifics of the overall system, but 1 gee of acceleration is possible. Two possible strategies is to have extremely high reflectivity with a visible or soft UV laser, or to have a sail material tolerant of high temperature (and this allows the use of X-ray or even gamma ray lasers - but this is not required).

With high reflectivity sails, you may need to be careful about doppler effects and the angle of incidence.

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@Hcobb @nyrath

If you've got plenty of power - and a Dyson swarm does have plenty of power, then a laser sail at the destination can decelerate you just as well as accelerate you. (Actually better, due to both the doppler effect and the chasing effects working in your favor.)

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Horizontal running inside circular walls of Moon settlements: a comprehensive countermeasure for low-gravity deconditioning?

https://royalsocietypublishing.org/doi/10.1098/rsos.231906

isaackuo,
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@KarlSchroeder @nyrath

Martian gravity is .38g, whereas lunar gravity is .17g. So, the floor angle to simulate 1g would be 22 degrees rather than 10 degrees.

So basically, it would work about the same as on the Moon, just with about twice the floor angle (not all that much different in the big scheme of things).

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@maxthyme @nyrath

Worth noting that this was done in space, at zero gee rather than low gee. Skylab had a circular track made of small cabinets.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qiMq-fdRhLo

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The Soviet Union sent two space gladiators to Venus. They dueled each other to death, returning no data.

@lowqualityfacts

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Full length Wicked trailer just dropped and I'm shook.

Wow, you can hear how much Ariana Grande loves Kristin Chenowith.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6COmYeLsz4c

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isaackuo,
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@tkinias @nyrath @cjshearwood

Do you mean, other than the obvious that glass is heavier and more delicate, so you do NOT want to have too much of it?

Also, there's the public relations factor - passengers want to fly in an aircraft that "feels" safe. And having too much glass in the front "feels" unsafe.

Also, multi-engine aircraft cockpits were (and remain) absolutely stuffed with instrument displays and controls - both below and above the windows.

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Every so often I’ll think about the U.S. defense budget (around $880bn this year), and wonder where we’d be with power technology if even one percent of that money every year had been invested in fusion research. That would fund an ITER-scale project every two to three years.

isaackuo,
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@tkinias

I think that fusion research physicists actually have a pretty realistic idea of what the money would likely result in, but they know this won't get them the funding.

So, if this money isn't wasted of fusion research, I expect it would be wasted on some other field which is 2nd best at making duplicitous promises. Maybe solar freakin roadways.

The challenge is to figure out how to design and maintain a system that can disincentivize the B.S.

isaackuo,
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@tkinias

I can't say I'm optimistic that it would have led to any sort of fusion power, but it could have encouraged more people to go into physics knowing there was a well funded jobs program for it.

Also, it's possible we might have a spinoff technology to show for it all.

For example, the VASIMR thruster that has been going nowhere for two decades was a spinoff from MCF research.

Maybe we could also have a Z-pinch spinoff thruster and a pulsed laser thruster going nowhere for decades.

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PRELIMINARY DESIGN OF A HYPERVELOCITY NUCLEAR INTERCEPTOR SYSTEM (HNIS) FOR OPTIMAL DISRUPTION OF NEAR-EARTH OBJECTS

nuking incoming rogue asteroids

(pdf file)
https://www.adrc.iastate.edu/files/2012/06/AAS-12-225.pdf

isaackuo,
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@nyrath

Page 7 "optional boom" ... Captain Ivanova does not approve.

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isaackuo,
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@Aaron_DeVries @nyrath

There are also weird possibilities related to neutrinos, dark matter, and/or dark energy.

isaackuo,
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@Hcobb @nyrath

Hmm ... Dean Drive and also Eric Laithwaite ...

Somewhere around 1960?

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Postcards from Cutty ramblings 003

Deck Prism Lighting

Cutty's ship is named RMS Essex, although "ESSEX" is just what's painted on the side. The original Essex was scrapped; its LH2 tank was converted into the crew compartment of Cutty's ship.

more here: https://diaspora.glasswings.com/posts/ae89ac70f11b013c9441448a5b29e257

isaackuo,
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Thus, Essex was not allowed to operate in LEO, severely limiting its ability to bring in revenue. Besides, its avionics and various systems degraded and became obsolete, so Essex was scrapped.

Cutty's ship would be built around its LH2 tank, repurposed into a crew compartment. Spraying the outside with large cellulose bubbles both solved the problem of space debris and provided Whipple shield-like impact protection.

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isaackuo,
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So, LH2 tank engineering is not trivial. If you want it to launch from Earth, then you have to confront icing and insulation. For various reasons, this works best with a single layer of structural tank, with insulation foam applied outside that and optional paint outside that.

But this becomes a problem if you have dreams of using these big LH2 tanks for a space habitat. Bits of foam breaking off becomes space debris - a hazard in LEO.

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Scifi writers should know that an army marches on their stomach. Also amateurs talk about tactics while experts talk about logistics.

You gotta feed your armies and starfleets fuel, ammo, rations for the military humans or everything comes to a screeching halt.

But I had no idea the number of different types of naval logistic ships.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Military_Sealift_Command#Fleet_Oiler_Program_N031

isaackuo,
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@nyrath

I kinda like the idea of taking inspiration from wooden ship days. Back then, it might not be so much a matter of different purpose built logistics ships, but rather a ship's purpose could evolve with age, as it gets worn out.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hulk_(ship_type)#Hulks_used_for_storage#Hulks_used_for_storage)

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