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octopus_ink,

Look how fucking many are defending this killer’s house (LOL I forgot that even THIS video ends with the cops just not being able to take it. They really showed that petite young lady with the cardboard sign at the end! Fucking thin skinned powerdrunk assholes.)

Light 'Em Up! (Also thin skinned powerdrunk assholes.)

Jake Tapper: What are Americans to make of these images?

I know there are many, many more. I’m even going to link the bad place because this sub is still the best place I know to see all the REST of the bullshit the cops got up to that year documented.

old.reddit.com/r/2020PoliceBrutality/

And just because…

Public Enemy - Fight The Power (2020 Remix) feat. Nas, Rapsody, Black Thought, Jahi, YG & QuestLove youtu.be/nNUl8bAKdi4

octopus_ink,

It really is. I’ll admit, this was not an issue I was strident about prior to 2020. I had a gnawing awareness of a couple specific incidents, but everything around George Floyd really opened my eyes. It felt like everyone who paid even a little bit of attention got on the same page for awhile - and then nearly everyone seemed to forget…

octopus_ink,

Even this video ends with police escalation and instigation of physical conflict. That was a very threatening cardboard sign, I guess.

octopus_ink,

There have been numerous studies debunking links between violent video games and violence. This is the 80’s Satanic Panic all over again with a different wrapper and target.

400 police failed them, not activision. Then they voted for the same leadership at the next election. It’s like everyone from the first responders onward just takes turns reacting to this shooting in head scratching ways.

ElleGray, to random
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All I saw was sandwich for at least 15 seconds

octopus_ink,

My thought process:

“What else would you notice? That’s a huge sandwich. Is there something else I’m missing? Is she someone famous to other people? OOOOOHH!”

Ron DeSantis' new target in his 'war on woke'? Colors, apparently (www.msnbc.com)

As part of DeSantis’ “Freedom Summer” initiative, the state’s transportation secretary, Jared W. Perdue, announced earlier this month that bridges in the state will have no choice but to be illuminated in red, white and blue from Memorial Day through Labor Day....

octopus_ink,

Sorry, not trying to be spammy it just hit my front page twice, and I have the same response both times! :)

https://lemmy.ml/pictrs/image/29df9b19-5814-44de-b2d0-542d7dc1e5c6.png

octopus_ink,

Maybe transparent is maximum effort? (I have no idea, I’m just guessing.)

octopus_ink,

😆

With absolute sincerity my username is totally random. I wanted to pick something with zero connotations/implications (as far as I know) and that I’d not used previously.

octopus_ink, (edited )

It’s insane this shit has been going on for so long and we just never really address it…

Go watch ANY black comedian from any period of time. They’ve been telling us all along. Police just wait for everyone to move on to other things again and then it’s business as usual.

I know Dave Chappelle has got his own issues these days, but watch Chappelle’s Show sometime - a show that’s gotta be about 30 years old now. Not just the skits about police, but the throwaway lines sprinkled in just about every episode. Look for clips of RIchard Pryor on youtube… I even remember Redd Foxx getting in on it.

I wish we could see a big major event where there’s a watershed moment and immediate change, but I don’t think we’ll get that. If we were going to, 2020 would have been it. Instead we got headlines such as, “Protests about police brutality are met with wave of police brutality across US.”

The cameras everywhere are the difference now. They are clearly not solving everything immediately, but at this point their ability to go back to “business as usual” is going to come to an end, and soon, just as it becomes more and more common for police lies to end up costing cities money.

What I do think we’ll get is that policing looks very different twenty years from now than it does now. Frustratingly slow, but I do believe it will happen. 🤞

octopus_ink,

This better not awaken something in me.

octopus_ink,

So, anyone think the supposed non-fascist Republicans are gonna look back on the past few years and decide maybe this time they should do something about it before it gets out of hand?

https://lemmy.ml/pictrs/image/ec43337a-843b-4227-acb4-c4c96bdcdf28.jpeg

Sorry if it was too early for such a riproaring joke!

octopus_ink,

So 85% of cops are not to be trusted. That tracks, IMO.

octopus_ink, (edited )

Here’s a hypothetical for you, if your son had an episode and took someone hostage with a knife, you wouldn’t call the police?

Sure, OK, you have found a corner case. Bravo, I guess? We can pretend I was using the modern definition of the word “literally.” 😉

It doesn’t change the overall point.

Here’s a hypothetical for you, which is far more likely than your own for an autistic kid. My son doesn’t even have the concept of holding someone hostage, and I venture to guess this is true for lots of others on the spectrum.

Let’s say he has a knife in his hand because that’s what he happened to have in his hand (somehow) when his fight or flight mechanism was triggered, and now he’s massively overstimulated, and in a meltdown. He’s not trying to hurt anyone (I’m not convinced he knows stabbing someone is an option a knife provides), but he’s waving it around because he is very active with his arms when he’s overstimulated, and he might even try to grapple with someone while holding it, again not really recognizing the potential for great harm. It’s going to be a real challenge to get it from him safely, and someone could get badly injured.

Do I call the cops in that circumstance? Not if I want to see him sans-bulletholes again. (Not a direct example of what I described, but close enough for these purposes.)

Edited to add - I read the story in OP, or I read about Linden Cameron, or I read about Elijah McClain (and others) and that’s my son there, or may as well be. Elijah McClain especially - heartbreaking. Nothing about any of those circumstances seems like an outcome I couldn’t imagine with any given group of police. I have no faith that more than a vanishingly small percentage would even see the problem with how these situations were handled, let alone try to do it differently.

octopus_ink,

I will always advocate that a big area where police could improve their standing with the communities they serve is to always strive toward better, non-lethal handling of situations where the circumstances are appropriate; however, handling individuals with behavioral / mental disabilities isn’t simple…

Nearly every single time I have seen someone make this particular excuse for police, a nurse or other staff from a healthcare facility will crop up to point out that they do it all day every day without having to kill people.

octopus_ink,

i don’t think it is safest for your child or for you (or others, obviously) for you to refuse to call until there is a body.

Man a little hyperbole brings out all the haters. 🙂

i think police need training to work with people like this and to de-escalate in general. i think i lot of them need treatment for their own PTSD. i think they fucked up here.

but i don’t think it’s realistic either to think that they can, in practice, handle things the same way a nurse with many years of experience and additional tools can. and i would also point out that many social workers (not my profession but related, just the last field i saw stats on) have been assaulted by their clients.

All your points are reasonable. But I have to weigh all other factors against the likelihood that cops are going to show up and harm or kill my child unnecessarily.

Are there actually other circumstances where I’d call police? Probably. Is it MY fault that I need to do this calculus about whether the folks paid to help might kill my child instead? No, it’s not, and I won’t apologize for it.

octopus_ink,

Please, I hope you didn’t take my hypothetical as an attack

I kinda took it as a bit of a strawman, even if unintentional. That’s why I contrasted with a more reasonable one.

I appreciate that your intent is not to defend police regarding OP or in general. However, as I said elsewhere, are there actually other circumstances where I’d call police? Probably. My original statement was (slightly) hyperbolic.

However, is it MY fault that I need to do this calculus about whether the folks paid to help might kill my child instead? No, it’s not, and I won’t apologize for it.

Police have earned their reputation.

If I can’t count on them to help without killing me or people I love needlessly, I’m not going to call them. I would think anyone, even a cop, would understand this fundamental requirement.

My cousin is no longer living, he had a heart attack; however, despite his inability to control his strength, I did allow him to be around my kids, but never alone and never without me being on pins and needles the entire time. Its sad to say that, but ultimately I am just glad he and them got to interact. It brought joy to both of them equally, I’m sure.

I’m sorry for the sad ending to your story, but glad that there were opportunities for joy along the way. These situations are tough, I get it.

octopus_ink,

What I’m stating is that everyone involved had a part in passing the buck of responsibility to the next party until ultimately the end result was almost assuredly going to be bodily harm to Yong Yang.

Fair, but I go back to my original comment. Possibly the parents would have behaved differently if they had any faith the police would have. As it turns out, the police didn’t, they did what every parent of a special needs child fears.

octopus_ink,

but i want your kid to be okay if it ever comes to that.

Fair! And we agree on that bit for sure!

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