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random9,

I thought this was going to be a FOSS discussion, comparing GitHub and it’s current owner - Microsoft - to the ethics of other hosting services like codeberg.org or something.

Then I saw where this was posted.

random9,

The Hamas have outright stated their goal is the genocide of the Jewish people.

With your metaphor, are you comparing the Hamas to the Nazis and Israel to the Jewish partisans - or - are you comparing the Hamas to the Jewish partisans and the Israel to the Nazis?

I think the original comment about both Hamas and Israel needing to be held accountable is correct. This isn’t a conflict between good and evil, this is a conflict between evil and evil.

random9,

Your argument holds no weight against a group of people (the current republican supporters) who have repeatedly proven to be misogynistic assholes who gladly vote for a rapist.

Cruelty is the point of their actions, not the side-effect - pointing out to them that their actions are unjust has no effect when that was their goal from the start.

random9,

Yeah, the left is the problem here, cause republicans are totally anti genocide

newrepublic.com/…/republican-congressman-andy-ogl…

“Kill ’Em All,” Republican Congressman Says of Palestinians in Gaza

oh wait…

random9,

Way too many people, especially Americans, have a gun-slinger complex. They’re looking for an excuse, any excuse, to use their guns, and feel like they’re “heroes”. These people are dangerous and the antithesis of what gun owners should be - responsible and careful. This ain’t the “well regulated militia” mentioned in the constitution, this is angsty, angry, insecure people with issues trying to act tough by shooting someone.

random9,

Jesus was a cave man from the upper paleolithic era who survived and studied under the Buddha, then went west to try and spread those teachings, and was unintentionally ascribed godhood by his followers.

If you got that reference, I’ll buy you a drink of your choice should we ever meet.

random9,

What happens if you try to pay for those fake license plate tags with those fake i.o.u. crap I’ve been reading about on this sub? Surely they must accept it, no?

random9,

Can someone explain to me what this #-star passport shit is, or have a link to somewhere that explains it? I just started reading this sub, found quite a few posts that mention it. To me it sounds like the kind of scam where the more money (real money, not their fake iou money) you pay, the more stars you can get - but I want to know wtf it comes from.

random9,

Yeah, I have no doubt that these fake passports are legally completely useless, and their made up shit means nothing to the real world legal system - I just want to understand if they are paying more for more stars. I have dual nationality, passports from 2 countries, and I’ve never heard stars on passport even be a concept in the US or anywhere in the EU.

random9,

That “50 state conceal carry” is frightening. These nutjobs should be the last people to own guns – especially if they believe they have diplomatic immunity.

random9,

As I have gotten older I have become more angry and cynical. But I’m very much more anti-conservative now than I was before, which in the US would be more left leaning, but honestly I never thought of myself as that, I just thought that I was being rational.

But being rational these days is literally being anti-conservative, because of how conservatives are banning books, attacking LGBTQ+ people for just wanting to be themselves, denying global warming even exists, and yes, letting the rich get richer by being corrupt and cutting taxes for them.

Though I also have some views that might make someone very left leaning think I’m against them (for example I do believe that some words shouldn’t be viewed as bad when not meant as personal attack against disabled people, like retard or fat or obese; and I also think people are allowed to choose their pronouns and in most cases I will respect it, but some people are just doing it for shits and giggles, not seriously actually considering themselves as what they choose). It’s easy to think someone who disagrees with those views as I do that they might be conservative, but I am far, far from it.

random9,

Nah, I bought a house 3 years ago. I still hate how inaccessible the housing market is, how shitty conservatives are towards other people and how much they deny science. Owning property doesn’t magically make one conservative. Fuck conservatives, fuck the rich.

random9,

“I went to the farmer’s market but they didn’t sell me a complete meal, only all these fucking plants. They think everyone’s a cook, and expect to know cooking, but i’m not and I don’t. Make a fucking meal and give it to me! Stupid fucking smelly farmers” – that’s how that sounds

random9,

The point, which you missed, is that going to github, a source code hosting service, to look for downloading executables for your specific platform - is like going to a farmer’s market to try and get a ready made meal. You’re at the wrong place, and it’s not meant for you if that’s what you’re looking for.

Github is fairly user friendly, but it’s users are developers.

random9,

The specific repo in question had (and still has) a USAGE section.

And again, I have to point out that it is a python script, not an executable - it’s not standard, common or expected that python scripts be provided as a standalone executable. What makes you think even if there was a download link the guy would have gone down to find it?

Metaphors aside, the guy who originally posted this literally went on a source code-hosting website that primarily aims at making source sharing easier, yelling that he didn’t want to see said source-code, only an executable for a product that literally does not compile to an executable, did not bother reading the instructions, but instead posted on a public forum, in full arrogance, insulting developers by calling them “SMELLY NERDS”.

I’m astounded that there’s still people defending this guy like that’s a totally normal thing to do.

If you only want to download an executable, GitHub is NOT the best place to look for that. Yes, many developers do provide compiled versions of their code, and yes, it is often very convenient that they do so - but it is neither the intended purpose of GitHub, nor is it required that developers provide one.

random9,

I went to highschool and university in the US - I was lucky that I got a scholarship and that covered pretty much all my tuition costs.

But I had a friend, one year older than me, who joined and served in the US army for something like 2 years just so he could get his university costs covered and to save some money for living expenses.

It may not be intentional, but the high cost of higher education is an excellent recruiting tool for the US military.

random9,

I agree that github is for developers or people who at the very least don’t mind learning a bit of development and getting their hands dirty. The poster demanding an exe is quite entitled - and also from what I understand the repo he is referring to is a python repo, so there normally wouldn’t be an exe, it’d just be run via a python command.

There’s a bigger problem here, which is that technical skill in newer generations is also decreasing - as someone on reddit had once said “I’m a millennial and I’m doing tech support for my parents as well as my children”. A generation raised on tablets and phones have gotten the false impression of being tech savy, when their actual technical skill is using end products.

Expecting every github repo to provide you with something you just click-and-run is overlooking the complexities and reality of how code is. By it self that isn’t a problem, but the entitlement it takes to publicly and arrogantly post that on a public forum is astounding and counter-productive to people who work on those small repos.

random9,

I would suggest that github is the wrong place to go look for that. Github is for developers, primarily a place to share source code, for people who DO care about build files, deprecated classes, contributors, and git history - so they can make the software that runs large parts of the modern world more efficient and flexible.

Whether there’s an executable provided is completely optional and up to each author. Further, considering in this specific example it was python code, it’s far more flexible for the author to provide python run instructions (which the author HAD provided by the way) than it is to give you a .exe which would take extra, unnecessary effort, and overlooks that the tool he was writing could also be used on linux and macos based machines (because python command exist on those)

random9, (edited )

For what architecture? You use windows, what about Linux? What about MacOS? Should the author spend their time making an executable for each platform? Or only the platforms that are most popular? (Edit: also, I’m not going to touch the fact that for complex programs there are third party dependencies which have license restrictions to be bundled together into an exe or provided into a zip as a dll, which is extra work for the dev to do just to make an exe)

Secondly, as I pointed out in my above comment which you seemed to have missed:

Some code, as is literally the case for the original source does NOT run via a standalone executable, so there is NO exe to upload. It is run via third party interpreters, in this case the Python interpreter.

There’s a section about how to run the code in the original post for example here github.com/sherlock-project/sherlock?tab=readme-o… - it requires the source code (because its not compiled, it’s interpreted) and installing python - which then is used via python3 sherlock to run the tool. Again, in cases like this there is literally no executable to upload. There may be some roundabout ways to upload an executable that packages, but that’s way beyond just providing the source to be run via python.

Also to edit to say this: Regardless of how “easy” you may think uploading an exe for something might be, calling the people developing that code “stupid smelly nerds” as the original poster did (not you) is completely disrespectful, arrogant and entitled, and if someone demanded that I upload an exe to one of my repos like that, I would completely ignore their request.

random9, (edited )

I mean, you’re partially right yeah - for bigger projects with more devs, they often DO provide windows/linux/etc executables, and that does save a ton of hours.

But for smaller projects with one main dev, it’s a lot to expect one person to make releases for all platforms. Maybe for the platform they develop for at best - though if that’s not your (not you personally, just general) favorite platform, you’d still be out of luck.

Again to repeat: it’s a moot point in the case of this context since there was NO EXECUTABLE to provide - it was a python script. So arguing this is completely unapplicable in this case! The original poster was just being an entitled jerk who didn’t bother reading anything and resorted to name-calling.

random9,

I guess my fate is in the hands of the RNG gods.

random9,

I think the fewer number of people, compared to reddit, on Lemmy combined with the fact that it’s not nearly as well known, plays a huge advantage to the quality of the comments. Not that there aren’t people like that here either, but I feel like the more popular a platform, is, the more it gets filled, proportionally, with people trying to make witty, shitty, pointless remarks that are often clickkbaity and avoid actual discussion, all in the interest of just getting more imaginary points.

Also the process of “enshitification” (not a term I made up, look it up if you hadn’t heard of it) has already started taking place on reddit due to its popularity.

random9,

lol @ the exact percent

But no, I don’t think shitposts by themselves are actually the problem. I think the problem is when when there’s so many people dedicated to making shitposts that serious communities with serious discussions start getting overwhelmed with shitposts, and when there’s so many people who are only interested in shitposts that they upvote those shitposts to the top, often downvoting anyone who might offer a contrarian non-funny opinion.

or IDK, I’m mostly speculating based on personal experience.

random9,

Hmm, I guess I have forgotten the exact dialog, as it was over 10 years ago since I watched that. I guess the implication is that it didn’t survive as a professional competitive sport? Because there definitely are teams that play it at least casually - and I went to check, it was indeed a Vulcan baseball team that challenged Sisco memory-alpha.fandom.com/wiki/Logicians - so I’d argue it still has survived to some degree, no?

random9,

Revolvers don’t have the concept of one-in-the-chamber, only semi-auto pistols do, and you can’t play russian roulette with semi-autos :P (well you could, but 99% of the time, barring unexpected jams, the first person to go would lose)

Anyway I’m guessing it’s a bug :) - as the saying goes “no code is too short to be bug-free”

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