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@FaceDeer@kbin.social

Basically a deer with a human face. Despite probably being some sort of magical nature spirit, his interests are primarily in technology and politics and science fiction.

Spent many years on Reddit and is now exploring new vistas in social media.

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Gee, biased headline much?

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One can be biased without lying. And there's no mandate to not have ideological leanings, I'm just pointing out the ideological leanings.

Generative AI’s environmental costs are soaring — and mostly secret (www.nature.com)

one assessment suggests that ChatGPT, the chatbot created by OpenAI in San Francisco, California, is already consuming the energy of 33,000 homes. It’s estimated that a search driven by generative AI uses four to five times the energy of a conventional web search. Within years, large AI systems are likely to need as much...

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It's consuming the energy equivalent of 33,000 homes, okay. Is it doing work equivalent to 33,000 people or more? Seems likely to me.

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That's the opposite of what he said. That sort of usage isn't what ChatGPT is good for, it's best to use it for other kinds of things.

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Feel free not to, I guess. But again, that wasn't the point of my comment. You mistook bleistift2's statement in the opposite way it was intended. ChatGPT's not intended as a replacement for a search engine so evaluating it on that basis is misleading.

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33,000 households worth of electricity is not a "ridiculous amount of energy." It's actually quite modest. Your wild hyperbole doesn't help your case.

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Hey now. Rule one of this community is "Be civil - Attack the argument, not the person." What does any of this genocide stuff have to do with the argument being discussed here?

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Not to mention that increasing usage of AI means AI is producing more useful work in the process, too.

The people running these AIs are paying for the electricity they're using. If the AI isn't doing enough work to make it worth that expense they wouldn't be running them. If the general goal is "reduce electricity usage" then there's no need to target AI, or any other specific use for that matter. Just make electricity in general cost more, and usage will go down. It's basic market forces.

I suspect that most people raging about AIs wouldn't want their energy bill to shoot up, though. They want everyone else to pay for their preferences.

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Because it's against the sub's rules to attack him personally.

Why not block him? You'll never see him again.

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OpenAI is a global service. People all over the world are using it and doing a massive amount of work with it. According to this page there are 180.5 million users and openai.com got 1.6 billion visits in December last year. It is extremely modest on that scale.

You need to account for what's being done with resources when trying to judge whether the resources are excessive.

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Last week you were advocating in favor of mobs burning self-driving cars if they were "pissed off" by them. You banned AI-generated art from the @tenforward community you mod. You seem pretty firmly anti-AI to me.

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I'm not holding him to a different standard. I wasn't in whatever fight you and he might have had, I don't know what community it happened in.

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That is a scurrilous misrepresentation of what I said I said and has nothing to do with AI. Irrelevant and ironic for someone who criticized me for making personal attacks.

You... you literally asked for this. Your previous commented ended with "Please demonstrate that to be true." You asked for it to be demonstrated, so I demonstrated, and now you're angry that I did so.

The thread was here if anyone wants to look at the full context. Archive.is link.

But hey, do as you say, not as you do, right?

I'm rapidly losing track. Are you now against bringing up what people do in other threads and communities when you argue with them?

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Where did I make a personal attack? The comment where you explicitly asked for examples of you being anti-AI?

And you're slinging personal attacks against both of us, so if "holding people to different standards" is such a big deal, well...

I didn't ask because it didn't matter. I wasn't present, I have no idea what you guys were arguing about and I don't care. The point is that you suddenly brought that argument in here, where it's a complete non-sequitur and not relevant to the subject at hand. And you're certainly not being civil about it.

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You literally asked for that. What a wonderful catch-22 you set up; if nobody responded with the evidence you demanded you could claim people were lying about you, and if they provided it you can claim they're launching personal attacks.

Rereading that previous thread, I see you were quick to accuse me of issuing personal attacks there too. Seems to be a common theme.

Anyway. Is there anything more to discuss here about the actual topic of this thread, the energy usage of ChatGPT?

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MagicShel said:

This is about you hate AI

And you responded:

Please demonstrate that to be true. Unless it’s a lie. Is it a lie?

So I demonstrated.

There's no need to screenshot one specific quote and present it with no context, I provided a link to the whole thread.

Finally deleted my reddit account after the AI news. What communities do you recommend on lemmy?

Ive been on reddit for more than a decade. Kinda bittersweet, but its not the first time I have moved on from an internet site. I just cant support reddit and sucking up all my posts for AI purposes. Feels terrible and spammy. Ive been a reddit premium holder for many many years....

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Fediverse postings are probably also being used for AI training. Just so you won't be too shocked when it eventually comes out in the future.

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Personally, I'm really keen on 5D optical data storage. It's extremely dense, and also incredibly robust - I've seen predictions of billion-year stability.

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Indeed, the level of obsession some people have with Elon Musk is kind of ridiculous.

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Why do you think so, and why does it matter?

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How dare they provide a useful tool like this, those bastards.

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It's not exactly training, but Google just recently previewed a LLM with a million-token context that can do effectively the same thing. One of the tests they did was to put a dictionary for a very obscure language (only 200 speakers worldwide) into the context, knowing that nothing about that language was in its original training data, and the LLM was able to translate it fluently.

OpenAI has already said they’re not making that publicly available for now

This just means that OpenAI is voluntarily ceding the field to more ambitious companies.

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Exactly. Article looked fine to me, if it was AI-written then it did a good job.

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Writing code to do math is different from actually doing the math. I can easily write "x = 8982.2 / 98984", but ask me what value x actually has and I'll need to do a lot more work and quite probably get it wrong.

This is why one of the common improvements for LLM execution frameworks these days is to give them access to external tools. Essentially, give it access to a calculator.

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Sora's capabilities aren't really relevant to the competition if OpenAI isn't allowing it to be used, though. All it does is let the actual competitors know what's possible if they try, which can make it easier to get investment.

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