@tchambers You know, I'm not even THAT mad at Reddit but am still considering deleting my account just because of how nice it's felt to break the doomscrolling the last couple days
New migrants please be patient. This is a lot like Nov 2022. It will be choppy, but get sorted out. This is another golden opportunity to break down corporate social media.
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#Lemmy and #kbin are part of the Fediverse and you can see their content on Mastodon, but you currently get more functionality by creating a kbin or Lemmy account account:
Right now there are not many instances for either, but that does not mean the Fediverse can not handle a surge. Yesterday Mastodon's infosec.exchange spun up fedia.io (kbin) and infosec.pub (Lemmy) .
#Lemmy now has 135,369 accounts. That is tracking with my expectations.
But while #Kbin had ~7,000 accounts yesterday, it’s just shot up to 30,930 accounts today.
While Lemmy is the 5th most used server software on the Fediverse, Kbin is now in 10th place and it’s growing at a faster rate than Lemmy.
A few days ago, I predicted that the #RedditMigration would result in 150,000-300,000 new accounts being created on the Fediverse. That expectation has already been met.
This #RedditMigration is fundamentally changing the course of the Fediverse. It’s moved the Fediverse from being primarily about microblogging to having more eclectic use cases.
While the #TwitterMigration validated that decentralized social media can appeal to millions of people, the #RedditMigration has validated that decentralized social media has man varied applications – both in the software and use case sense.
Why is #Kbin gaining on #Lemmy? I believe it’s for three reasons:
1- Lemmy is politically controversial with its founders commonly regarded as “tankies”, and the flagship Lemmy instance (lemmy.ml) commonly found on Fediblock lists
2- Kbin is slightly more user-friendly than Lemmy, offers better social discovery options, and integrates much better with the rest of the Fediverse than Lemmy
3- From an end user perspective, Kbin behaves more according to what you would expect from a Fediverse platform, and consequently has less hoops to jump through if you’re already familiar with the Fediverse
That said, Kbin isn’t necessarily better than Lemmy yet. It’s still very much an alpha project. But it’s a damn good alpha project.
Today, I had someone who intended on running a #Lemmy server call me up and say, “I’ve changed my mind. I want to run #Kbin instead.”
They feel that Kbin has less political baggage, more potential, and is easier to use than Lemmy.
That might not be the case from an admin perspective. But if your goal is to appeal to end users, it’s probably better to put up with Kbin’s rough edges.
Signs of the #RedditMigration in action: Three of the top 6 fastest growing #Fediverse servers are not only not Mastodon.social but they are not even microblogging servers - but rather are #Threadiverse servers.
That is only seriously good for the entire Fedi infrastructure. Diversity is strength.
@m_artigiani hello from the threadiverse :) on kbin we have content split up into two categories "threads" and "microblogs". This is under our RedditMigration magazine in the microblogs section. Y'all on mastodon should be able to follow us and engage as normal and even appear in our "threads" section at times (depending on the context of the posts).
@clacke yeah, they used the hashtag #RedditMigration, which is the @RedditMigration magazine has listed as one of the tags to "pull in". here on kbin everything is organized based on magazines which are our "subreddits" and they have a threads section (works like reddit) and a "microblogs" section which has an assortment of mastodon posts (and posts from kbin users as well in this section). the magazine moderators can choose which hashtags to have added to there.
I don't know if a post can be sent to multiple magazines, but when I browse the general "all" section for microblogs, all of the top-level mastodon posts all have a category. most of them end up in @random which is essentially for unsorted/uncategorized posts. but some will just have some particular one. I've added a screenshot to show what this looks like. you can see it just lists the magazine name with it.
I've logged out of Reddit (possibly? probably? for the long term) after the whole "he likes Elon Musk" horseshit and have set up a kbin account to see whether I like it.
@moira I am really digging kbin, and I am of the same opinion after that douche went full mask off. I knew he was full of shit after the "legitimate political discourse" shit but this was my absolute last straw. The company is rotten.
If it is a self-post, that is the post without link, then what I see its copy on /d/kbin.social as a copy of original post from lemmy.ml
this is always the case. however the "linked url" will say the same website you're on if it's a "self post". since self-posts (regardless of which community they're in) link to another kbin page, they get shown in /d/kbin.social
If, howerver, the original post on lemmy.ml was a link to some other site, for example to google.com, then I would not see this on /d/kbin.social, but on /d/lemmy.ml and /d/google.com
/d/lemmy.ml will show the earlier case as well (since it was in a lemmy.ml community). but yes /d/google.com would also show it I think since the linked url is google.
But in this case, what would I see in the brackets? (lemmy.ml) or (google.com)?
The brackets show where you go if you click the link. for self posts, you go to the thread here on kbin (if you're using kbin.social). for links, you go to the link.
So I left Twitter for Mastodon, and I’m happy with the switch.
Selecting a Mastodon instance seems to only make a small difference in the experience, unless you spend a lot of time on the “Local” timeline, which I typically don’t. Reliability and moderation rules seems to be the main deciding factors.
So, enter the #RedditMigration… lemmy vs. kbin seems to be which software you like better (I have not been able to tell much of a difference). But choosing an instance? Does it make ANY difference besides reliability? Can someone explain it like I’m five? Is moderation done at the magazine (or community) level, rather than the instance level, like Mastodon? kbin seems bigger at this point, but Lemmy seems a more blatant copy of Reddit (which I don’t mind). Can they see each other’s content? There has to be a web page explaining this, right?
@ender3 I have a lemmy account and kbin. When the #blackout happend i made lemmy account and made 2 subs that i had on reddit. i kept hearing kbin. so i tried it and loved it. it has Magazines (subs) Threads (post like reddit) Microbloggin (Little blogs everyone can see) IT's so sweet. I haven't logged into lemmy in like a day. i know i don't need both accounts but i like the microblogging function that kbin has. It's all the #fediverse if you think about it and i only need 1 account but i really like kbin a lot!
"Reddit is discovering the same thing that Twitter is also discovering: when you build a service where the value is all the free content that users provide, you’re going to run into some problems when you suddenly start acting like you 'own' all that, and you feel the need to put up paywalls for access.... at some point those users are going to realize they have the power to go elsewhere."
honestly it's extremely not surprising that the first pillar to fall in terms of class consciousness is online communities
like sure, people are gonna be striking and protesting more and more often, but online communities are going to be the first places where corporate power is completely seized and community power will win
it's clear that companies are already panicking and hoping to not find out how long it'll take before the world is oops all unions
Mostly no. Two of the biggest instances (sh.itjust.works and lemmy.world) were defederated from another major instance (beehaw.org) so you may not want to join any of those three. It isn’t a big deal, but I personally like a lot of the discussion on beehaw and lemmy.world, so I wouldn’t want to be cut off from either.
I'm totally new to this, but I thought this might be a good place to ask: Is there an Android app I can use to access kbin? I have the website pinned to my home screen for now, but the touch targets are a bit tiny and it doesn't seem well optimized for mobile. Also any tips and tricks on . . . this whole Fediverse thing would be great. Still trying to wrap my head around it.
Funny enough, last December, I predicted there would be another Big Social migration to the Fediverse. I even predicted it would happen in June.
I just didn’t think that Reddit, of all platforms, would be the one to cause the migration.
Big Social has a habit of creating shitty user experiences, and attempting to squeeze every bit of ARPU possible.
Until recently, if you didn’t like it, your only option was to kick rocks.
Reddit doesn’t give a damn. There have been plenty of Reddit alternatives in the past, and almost all of them have crashed and burned.
Except this time, when people join #Lemmy and #kbin, they are interacting with a network of 10 million Fediverse accounts – possibly more. No Reddit alternative has ever had 10 million accounts.
Understand this. Even if Lemmy and /kbin make up an insignificant chunk of the Fediverse right now, everyone who uses those services can talk to 10+ million Fediverse accounts.
Which means that this time Reddit detractors have serious options.
And believe me, more Big Social platforms will cause further migrations to the Fediverse. Each time this happens, that detraction will compound more and more.
Reddit probably doesn’t think this is a big deal. They probably think this is like the other times users expressed dissent.
But this time, these Redditors are discovering the Fediverse.
@jedistocky Also, they have their own holes to slink back to if they ever got sick of the site. The hardest part of finding a reddit alternative is so many of them are just right wing alternatives for people to post conspiracies and slurs.