jwildeboer,
@jwildeboer@social.wildeboer.net avatar

Wildeboer’s third theorem: Every commercial centralised service that offers “free” services and relies on ads and/or a percentage of subscription/donation fees ends up being supportive of misinformation, hate speech and far-right to nazi content. Either through ignorance or acceptance.

jwildeboer, (edited )
@jwildeboer@social.wildeboer.net avatar

This is because undirected interaction is key to these companies. And radical content reliably delivers more interaction. Unfortunately that mechanism has also spread to editors of reputable news outlets, leading to more radical and less nuanced content that feature extremely aggressive headlines. It’s a self-fulfilling prophecy, fueled by human nature decoupled from actual physical interaction. On the internet we say things we never would say in person.

jwildeboer, (edited )
@jwildeboer@social.wildeboer.net avatar

But that reality also contains the solution. It starts with one self. Only post things you would happily shout out in a public place filled with people you don’t know. That mental image helps at least me a lot. And from that follows to switch to services that do NOT rely on interaction to fuel ad networks and VC (Venture Capitalism) pockets. That’s the tough part. And based services could be the basis for that better ecosystem if done right.

jwildeboer, (edited )
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(And finally: this is why IMHO needs a “hide reply” feature far more than a retoot option. As an OP (Original Poster) or as author of a reply that attracts radical takes, it simply is impossible to engage with each and every (troll, automated, soon “AI”) “evil” reply that tries to radicalise the discussion) cc @Gargron @evan FYI

kkarhan, (edited )
@kkarhan@mstdn.social avatar

@jwildeboer @Gargron @evan

Doesn't blocking users and/or instances solve that issue?

Cuz to me that does work quite well...
https://github.com/greyhat-academy/lists.d/blob/main/activitypub.domains.block.list.tsv

tokyo_0,
@tokyo_0@mas.to avatar

@kkarhan Even if you block a user after they've posted an unhelpful reply, others will still see the reply. It's only you that won't see it. They won't be able to post more replies, either, but that doesn't help with the reply that's already there. @jwildeboer @Gargron @evan

kkarhan,
@kkarhan@mstdn.social avatar

@tokyo_0 @jwildeboer @Gargron yeah, that is a problem...

kkarhan,
@kkarhan@mstdn.social avatar

@jwildeboer @Gargron @evan

OFC the best option is likely to go full and only allow from federated instances and only federate based of an allow-list.
http://fedipact.online
@FediPact

https://social.wildeboer.net/@jwildeboer/111693557666452263

jwildeboer,
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kkarhan,
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@jwildeboer @Gargron @evan @FediPact Personally, I think is key here!

For example @admin have their instance-wide published.
https://wiki.todon.eu/todon/domainblocks

And whilst I don't agree with them on every point - as my blocklist is way smaller - I do appreciate the honesty and transparency on their part...

kkarhan, (edited )
@kkarhan@mstdn.social avatar

@jwildeboer @Gargron @evan @FediPact @admin Another point is to provide means to add/remove entries and appeal listing decisions.

Which is why I decided to than instead, because that blocklist was and is an irredeemable shitshow with so many that it's just not rational to explain except as @are0h 's personal vendetta list because someone from any instance listed disagreed with him...

https://github.com/greyhat-academy/lists.d#my-domain--site--ip-adresses---are-listed-on-a-blocklist-and-i-want-them-removed

jwildeboer,
@jwildeboer@social.wildeboer.net avatar

@kkarhan @Gargron @evan @FediPact @admin @are0h I will not engage in ad hominem discussions. I also use blocklists on my instance and am very happy with it.

kkarhan,
@kkarhan@mstdn.social avatar

@jwildeboer but it's not as if he ( https://h-i.social/@are0h ) is the only person who's having some distorted "principles" that make him a total asshole to everyone who doesn't lick his boots...

Looks at https://todon.nl/@schratze

Jain,
@Jain@blob.cat avatar

@kkarhan @jwildeboer Agree on that

kkarhan,
@kkarhan@mstdn.social avatar

@Jain @jwildeboer speaking of the German Proverb "Hit dogs will bark"

https://mstdn.social/@kkarhan/111694459206501673

Jain,
@Jain@blob.cat avatar

@kkarhan @jwildeboer
Fuck Ro for framing, lying, ignoring critics, for spreading misinformations and run a hate campaign, shifting responsibilities, the attempt to a centralization & building an authority and the lack of transparency

kkarhan,
@kkarhan@mstdn.social avatar

@Jain @jwildeboer Eeyupp...

Ro is an asshole and he has proven that time and time again...

Just like the entire gang...

If there are reasons to ban instances that federate with / aka. nee [or other problematic instances like https://h-i.social ], he's one of the people creating them on a ...

https://mstdn.social/@kkarhan/111694465353277800

kkarhan,
@kkarhan@mstdn.social avatar

@Jain @jwildeboer

I mean, if some people can't find the "mute conversation" button then that's their choice...
https://social.wildeboer.net/@jwildeboer/111694619803993823

kkarhan,
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@jwildeboer Speaking of Assholes:

I like how he's so cowardly not linking to my post...

What a ridiculous coward...

I'd not be surprised if he's a KiwiFarmer and his pfp just a deepfake like MentalOutlaw claims his is...
Unlikely and I don't have evidence but the fact that I'd not be surprised should say everything...

https://h-i.social/@are0h/111694086714150764

kkarhan,
@kkarhan@mstdn.social avatar

But then again people prefer to tell themselves obvious lies till they believe them instead of admitting the inconvenient truth...

I refuse to fit your box and be your enemy...
https://todon.nl/@schratze/111300890306267140

garbados,
@garbados@friend.camp avatar

@kkarhan hey @stux can you call in this bullshit? i don't know what to do but defed if your users don't stop harassing folks like ro.

kkarhan, (edited )
@kkarhan@mstdn.social avatar

@garbados Do you really think @stux is listening to the deranged folks like ?

https://mstdn.social/@kkarhan/111694465353277800

Seriously, read that shit and tell me that's what a rational grown up man should post...
https://h-i.social/@are0h/111694086714150764

But hey, obviously you are just a bootlicking asshole who just throws verbal feces because you know I'm right!
https://friend.camp/@garbados/111698561569793563

Now fuck off m8!

garbados,
@garbados@friend.camp avatar

@kkarhan uh, hey fuckface, he’s just calling you out for harassment. if you weren’t just using radical language as a vehicle for cyberbullying, maybe you’d understand that.

kkarhan,
@kkarhan@mstdn.social avatar

@garbados How about you fuck off and apologize before I'll check legal options?

Asshole!

jwildeboer,
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kkarhan,
@kkarhan@mstdn.social avatar

@jwildeboer @Gargron @evan @FediPact I do agree with you, and I know that you chose to invest the time, labour, resources and costs into to have that level of control...

I do invite you - and everyone who isn't doing cybervandalism, harrasment and other unprofessional shite - to collaborate on a list bit in the end it's your decision.

And I know you ain't the only one who conciously made the decision to self-host.

https://github.com/greyhat-academy/lists.d/blob/main/activitypub.domains.block.list.tsv

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