Collective term for white English countries. Anglo-Saxons has been a term used since centuries, and after two world wars, Anglosphere is the word used.
Vassal states to original English colonial powers, the 8 Nation Alliance? Absolutely. This is why they are part of Anglosphere. Any country that is, or has been during/since Renaissance, a western/English colonial power, or is their vassal state (Israel, Japan, Turkey also count), are part of Anglosphere. Geographical location can be separate from social/economical hegemonic ideals.
Edit: the nuance is influence and subjugator control by original white colonial powers.
Not the only meaning anymore. That meaning changed long ago, since the creation of NATO and how it operates to subjugate any and all countries for a unipolar hegemonic iron fist rule of white man. Proxy colonisation has been the major shifter.
My original gripe is with your use of Anglo, Ukraine is not part of NATO, had much more influence and history with Russia than the US/UK, speaks Ukrainian and are ethnically Ukrainian.
You don’t have to be Anglo to be racist. Europe, EU and NATO are all more complex that just saying anglosphere and it makes you look silly to reduce it down to white man bad.
Ukraine is not part of NATO, however it absolutely is a condom that NATO is using to try and fuck with Russia since almost a decade. There is a backstory that goes all the way back to 60s, but the breakage of Warsaw Pact demonstrated what US VP Dick Cheney once said – to balkanise and break Russia apart. This has been NATO’s goal since it was formulated, and what we are seeing is the last straws being grasped at. This is why Biden is asking GOP for $60B more, after the $40B already pumped by USA into Ukraine.
Anglo whites are by far the most racist people to have existed on this planet in the entirety of human history, and no other group or faction has been even remotely in the ballpark. Whites have subjugated for the past centuries blacks, Asians, Muslims, whoever has been determined as “non-pure” at various points of time and so on. The only close parallel (perhaps worse) I can think of, in terms of oppression, in all of human existence, has been the treatment of lower castes or Shudras in India since many millenia, that continues to this day.
All that geopolitics doesn’t make the people Anglo though.
Why the fuck are conflating damage done to being most racist. Whites may or may not be the most racist as a whole but because they’ve had a lot of global power the last 400 years we can see the impact of it more than any other group.
I really don’t care who is most racist on averagee because I have an understanding that racism is everywhere in the world and should be fought against everywhere.
Again you are showing you have a really simplified black and white view of the world.
Things are not black and white but they do not have infinite shades of gray either. Overthinking, overcomplicating, pseudo-intellectual hipster takes are just BAD. “racism is everywhere” is like a both sides trope, and I find it to be a method to suppress all discourse, rather than it ever, in history of debates, have ended up generating meaningful discussion and critique.
Again my original point was that Ukrainian racism towards Indian students in the country during the current war with Russia should not be reduced down to Anglo racism. This reduction is neither in your words, generating meaningful conversation or is a meaningful critique of the problem and IMO is wrong(though this is more a disagreement over words and I think we mostly agree).
This racism happened conveniently (actually it is institutionalised and systematic) against Indians, blacks and Muslims, all groups that European anti-immigrant whites hate. Therefore, it is correctly labelled as Anglo racism. Those “pure” whites do not want the “dirty” browns/blacks around, apparently. This is the basis of what I said, which is very clear to anyone oppressed and concerned.
Anglosphere covers US/Canada/Europe, where this trend is seen. Colonialist mindset is not exclusive to white skin, and non-whites who find themselves comfortable in the Anglo imperialist privileges happily carry out tasks for the “whites”. This was a very popular example last year, for instance twitter.com/non_philosophy/…/1498000420815396872
The leftist socialist discourse has not, even once, pointed this out to me, who are the first to see the wrongs in anti-imperialist narratives. I am unsure who these people are, because you are the first and only one to say this.
Any good leftist socialist comms you’ve found on Lemmy? I’m just following anarchism @hexbear.net and whatever floats my way on All from hexbear and lemmygrad
It was actually racism proudly declared chest thumping-ly by Anglo racists on international media. You cannot negotiate with this. The only way is to isolate Anglosphere from rest of the world, like a diseased leper, and let them bask in their “pure white” glory, while rest of the world lives under a BRICS+ hegemony.
Well you said that the problem lays with India’s trade relations with Russia, and this is a thread about Indian students facing discrimination in Ukraine.
Were you not justifying this discrimination based on India’s trade relationship?
Yes... when you excuse xenophobia your validate it. So implicitly you said: That's okay, they deserve it.
He did only conclude that they should be held accountable for their government's decisions, because that's the least insane justification for that bullshit.
It’s sad that innocent students are being targeted, but let’s not forget that India is the major trade partner for Russia, enabling them to bypass sanctions and continue their war.
Exactly. If those students want to stop being targeted, they should stop their government instead of blaming Ukraine for the violence. In a sense, they are the real perpetrators and Ukrainian “racism” is nothing more than self-defense.
Those students can't change their government. I don't blame Ukrainians for being upset at India as a country for having Russia as a trade partner, I do for taking it out on these students. If I were to assault a Russian student here in America because of what the Russian government is doing it'd be equally as wrong.
Yes a bunch of students are the real perpetrators. They definitely hold all the power to stop their government while they are thousands of kilometers from home.
Kind of missing the point. The current embargo means Russia sells its oil for a lot cheaper to India, which then refines and resells it to the west. This allows for enough oil supply to not push prices too high for everyone and Russia is the only one losing. Sure India doesn’t enforce sanctions, but they aren’t exactly cozying up like the Chinese.
As awful as your attempt is at justifying racism, Indians were being discriminated against during the initial evacuation right when the war began and allegiances had not been solidified.
Your mom is in a sad state if she allowed you to think true neutrality can exist through actions, like trading with Russia. Only inaction is allowed to deserve a monicker like neutrality, but that doesn’t make one free of judgement from those who have suffered under the apathy of neutrality.
In what way are these Indian students trying to cheat the system?
Seems like the issue is that the rules are in the process of being changed (or are changed?) after these students spent however many years going to to school before the rules changed.
Work in these job sectors? You’re valuable (until the next rule change that will retroactively label you as “disposable labor”).
Work in those job sectors? You’re disposable labor whose use is no longer needed, here’s your deportation papers (until the next rule change that will retroactively label you as “valued labor”).
Well, they’ve been ‘scammed’ by the scumbags who sold them false dreams. Most of these folks are in huge debt, and they’re fucked either way - they’ll end up jobless in India, or exploited by wage-slavers. It’s just that being in Canada gives them a hopelessly small chance to escape poverty.
It depends on what they study. I know of some that come for agriculture-related degrees which are just worthless in a totally different climate. “Canada educated” comes with a lot of prestige back home, though, and they have the money, so they come anyway.
True to an extent - the methods don’t change all that much. The same is true for medicine and architecture. But I’m guessing the vast majority are in engineering, which is more or less universal.
Actually, the ones the government has cracked down on most are business degrees. They’re the cheapest to deliver so they’ve been used as an (often needed) cash cow by educational institutions. That’s probably more useful than learning the frost tolerance of a crop you don’t even grow at home, or treatment of temperate pests, but it’s not engineering.
I see. That makes a lot of sense. India has a small number of IIMs (national business universities), so they are very hard to get into. And unlike most other government unis, they are also very expensive (can’t have the peons getting uppity). So many Indian parents with more money than sense send their children to degree mills in other countries that no one in the host country has even heard of.
This is the first anti-immigrant policy of any kind Canada’s put in place for a long time, and people are rightfully worried because of that. The thing is, we just have an absolutely insane housing shortage, and so the government has to be seen shoring up immigration somehow, or it will be vulnerable in the upcoming election.
It’s not about the tuition (although most of our universities are effectively subsidized by foreign students paying higher tuition fees), it’s about having an easily exploitable labour force while they’re here studying. Less familiarity with labour laws and less protections than a citizen make for attractive wage slaves.
Of course, the solution isn’t tightening immigration, but the actual solutions might make the wealthy accumulate riches at a slightly slower pace, therefore it is unimaginable.
It’s not just that we have billionaires, is that they are extracting most of the value out of our economy, and that proportion is only increasing. They have rigged the system in their favor, and it is working perfectly (for them).
the richest 0.02% of Canadians now possess more wealth than the bottom 80%
Is it intentional exploitation? Well, it could just be a coincidence that the influx of international students has helped keep wages down and put an almost unbearable pressure on rental housing, much of which is owned by investment corporations. It might be helpful to look at who is funding the lobbyists walking the quarters of power in our provincial and National capitals.
India has the 5th largest hydroelectric power setup in the world, mainly because had poor access to fossil fuels and their extraction technology (even though it has vast stores of coal). It also acted as a good source of water for agriculture for a chiefly agrarian economy. As of 2020, 12.3% of power came from hydro, but fell in 2024 due to lack of rainfall. Which pushed up coal usage and emissions.
Ironic how climate change might push India to be less sustainable. However India is also investing heavily is solar, wind and nuclear, mainly as a backup for fluctuating geopolitics in Asia.
Agreed. India is investing in a lot of sustainable energy sources, but more pragmatic than altruistic: they want energy independence. The good PR is a happy side effect.
It’s great that they’re giving the Maldives water. The destruction of fresh-water aquifers on many low-lying islands due to rising seas contaminating them with saltwater, is of course all of our (developed and industrialized countries’) collective fault. It’s unfortunate that they stole it from an occupied territory, though.
As much as I agree that it is the world’s collective responsibility to help, this particular case is, at best, a double-egded sword that appears to deal less with supporting a low-lying island than with geo-politics and a thirst for influence.
Beijing also sought to keep the Maldives, one of its more recent allies, happy with the March delivery of one million bottles of glacial meltwater from colonially occupied Tibet. For years, civil society organizations have highlighted how Tibetan pastoralists are being removed from their traditional lands to facilitate resource exploitation by Chinese companies, including for bottled water.
Extraction of water is reportedly exacerbating environmental degradation and conflict in tandem with a flurry of dam construction that saw major protests earlier this year in Dege County, currently part of China’s Sichuan province. Radio Free Asia revealed on March 25 that hundreds of protesters arrested during that incident have now been released, but not before suffering deprivation of water, overcrowding and sometimes severe beatings in custody. Moreover, the wider picture suggests that not all of the detainees have been set free; some remain unaccounted for; several younger monks have been sent to government schools since the demonstrations; and restrictions on movement in Dege are still in place.
The police promised him employment in exchange to climb down the bridge? Does the police have any say in hiring people for the police or even other companies?
Although I appeciate their efforts to save that soul but if such promises make it to the news, wouldn’t that rather lead to ‘fake’ suicide attempts of people trying to negotiate better living conditions?
Just to be sure: Of course I appeciate if the state helps people out of unemployment etc. but that’s typically not a task for the police and it definitely shouldn’t require climbing on bridges.
wouldn’t that rather lead to ‘fake’ suicide attempts of people trying to negotiate better living conditions
This is the same bullshit excuse used by people who support reduction or even complete removal of welfare, and social services, and healthcare, and any even remotely social policy.
The idea that people would start "faking" suicide to get such bare minimum help in such great numbers that it becomes a "problem" (while somehow the poverty and classism and other systems of oppression that lead to there being so many starving people gets completely overlooked) can only be born in a highly privileged yet truly twisted and miserable mind.
I never opposed welfare in my post and even highlighted that I appreciate the state supporting people in need. The part that suprised me was specifically the police is able to give job offers to negotiate in such a situation.
Many people are desperately looking for a job. And if you read in the news that a suicide attempt might get you one, I can absolutely see people taking that chance if they see no alternative way forward.
That’s why from my perspective there should be a preventive support system established that helps people BEFORE things escalate as in the case from the news article.
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