The most revealing aspect of the #hachyderm#fediblock drama has been the truly feudal nature of the fediverse / feudalverse.
A world of conflict was occurring between admins/feudal lords mostly unknown to instance users/subjects … until defederations and admin resignations occur … at which point the users have to blindly work out what’s happened and how it affects them and which instances they’re now blind to.
Just like monarchs declaring war against each other. @fediversenews
@maegul@fediversenews there is a change that might help on the horizon, which is generating notifications to users when their instance domain blocks domains from which they follow users — MAS-63 on the roadmap
@fediversenews In @nova ‘s resignation stream, this was the major critique she had of the fediverse: that communication across sub-culture boundaries is very poor and that such things easily become failure points for distributed systems.
As a user trying to be a fan of this place beyond its broad principles … I’m frankly unimpressed and can’t help but wonder what will be thought of decentralisation in the future.
I see arcs back toward Pareto-like centralisation.
It's not unreasonable to expect that it follows the path of email: normies are nearly all on a couple of instances (likely the ones that get accessible content filtering the most right).
@leviramsey@maegul@fediversenews@nova As sole proprietor of my own instance in the #Fediverse - I don’t supply content to centralized for profit sites. Social media corporations reap the economics. Users supply creativity and content like serfs did agricultural labor - just for a place to inhabit. That’s feudalism. It’s a slow process but I hope others adopt this awareness. #mastodon may not yet be mature. Remember the #birdsite in 2008?
@maegul@fediversenews@nova Firstly, I don't think it's a failure point to be able to curate social spaces depending on different people's different needs and expectations. Secondly, use the #FediblockMeta tag instead of the Fediblock tag unless you're posting a FediBlock suggestion
@Shrigglepuss@fediversenews@nova I’m really not sure your statement makes much sense. The ability to block wasn’t being cited as a failure point, rather weak communication. The failures potentially entailed are many, but in the particular example addressed, an obvious egregious effect is that few know what’s happened but many have false/vague impressions/guesses. Clearly caused by poor communication, and hardly “curated” or “social” I’d say.
@maegul@fediversenews@nova It's a social network, if anyone's unsure about something they can ask around until they're satisfied they have all of the information they need to make their own decisions.
I think the biggest misconception on the Fediblock tag which has been misrepresented in bad faith time and time again is that it's a bunch of demands that so-and-so gets blocked which isn't the case at all, it's just putting information out there for admins to look into and do what they see fit
@maegul@fediversenews
to me, it seems similar to when I'd see twitter users with large followings demand all their followers block somebody, or get blocked in turn, for an unspecified reason. If you knew what to search for, you could search for relevant threads, and spend a ton of time trying to understand them, but if you didn't know the context, you'd often end more confused than you started. Saw the same thing on facebook. So, while decentralization may amplify it, I don't see it as a cause
@maegul thanks & kudos for the sumup.
Its still seems that its only the tip of a rather huge clusterfuck iceberg.
The accusations voiced are rather grim at the least.
@maegul@fediversenews honestly the way this has played out has completely convinced me the fediverse isn't going to work out, at least for me. Everything about it just gives off IRC channel takeover vibes.
@robotmonkeys@jeff_schmidt@maegul@fediversenews My prediction (always 25% wrong, fwiw) is that federations will open and close according to discussion, civilized or not, but at least not strictly according to shareholder value. Maybe a win. Then again, I look at Slack’s skin of IRC and I wonder if there’s any hope.
@goodthinking@robotmonkeys@maegul@fediversenews Heh, yeah. I just want a nice place to share ideas and learn things without excess drama and disruption. Humans are involved though, so that might be too much to ask.
@jeff_schmidt@robotmonkeys@maegul@fediversenews That was where my generation started in the 80s - “oh my god we can connect everyone”. We were thinking of our relatives and colleagues, of course. Where else to start? It would fix so much!
We were not considering the actual scaled thing, which in course ceded the mic to much louder, less reverent folks, from billionaire sociopaths right on down to Fox news and Brexit troglodytes.
apologies for the snark my coffee is still on the intake. I try to center my arguments around ‘freedom of association’ but that doesn’t have any air of coercion. I don’t think we as a society are quite there yet.
@davidslifka@fediversenews as a blade of grass, the most conspicuous phenomenon is that no one cares to bend down and explain to you why you’ve been trodden on and how it happened, no matter how much you ask or how loudly.
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