uranibaba,
shekau,

I am learning flatpak. Can someone explain why is like that???

ace,
@ace@lemmy.ananace.dev avatar

Well, one part of it is that Flatpak pulls data over the network, and sometimes data sent over a network doesn’t arrive in the exact same shape as when it left the original system, which results in that same data being sent in multiple copies - until one manages to arrive correctly.

AVincentInSpace,

??? Retransmitted packets don’t get counted towards downloaded file size

Hujaj,

Hence why Fedora Linux actually recently removed delta updates for DNF. Turns out it used more data in retries than just downloading a whole package again.

boredsquirrel,

Interesting, didnt know that! That sounds like a fixable issue though…

Hujaj,

I think they have moved from trying to fix it in DNF, to using the capabilities found in BTRFS for Copy on write. Can’t quite remember exactly.

AProfessional,

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  • zaphod,

    I think this is actually very unlikely, flatpak is most likely using some TCP based protocol and TCP would take care of this transparently, flatpak wouldn’t know if any packets had to be retransmitted.

    AProfessional,

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  • FooBarrington,

    But it’s unlikely those would look like this. Flatpak would only see packets in series, so the only effect a failure could have would be the need for resuming the download - at worst you could receive a couple of bytes again due to alignment, but not this much.

    kibiz0r,

    Could also be that the HTTP server lied about the content length.

    AVincentInSpace,

    It’s a protocol violation to do that, not least because it precludes connection reuse

    jbk,

    something something ostree and how complicated the stuff it does actually is

    boredsquirrel,

    I mean ostree is just git for binaries, isnt it?

    But it will likely be the issue here.

    lemmyvore,

    Shoddy implementation they can’t be arsed to fix. They do all kinds of shenanigans like show the size of all locales but only download one, or the other way around, it does not count dependencies and then realizes it has to download something extra etc. It’s all over the place and I’ve given up on it making any sense. I’ve just made sure it’s on a drive with plenty of space and hope for the best.

    unreachable,
    @unreachable@lemmy.world avatar

    /c/datahoarders would like to know your location

    possiblylinux127,

    Its a bug

    Tash,
    @Tash@lemmy.world avatar

    Makes me think about what I should prioritize… network transfer or local storage.

    dustyData,

    We’ll update the 200 mb program.

    not pictured: the other 500mb of libraries and dependencies that tag along.

    bardmoss,

    Pedant warning: your last phrase should contain “than”, not “then”.

    Emerald, (edited )

    Indeed. I literally never use the word “than”. Fuck grammar, “than” looks weird.

    I never say “than”, I say “then”, therefore it just seems right to spell it how I always say it.

    Edit: I wonder what the most downvoted comment is on Lemmy World, am I making history?

    Edit: I’m concerned for everyone who upvoted this

    akakunai,

    The literal way to read what you wrote is to never ask Flatpak, in order:

    1. how it can download more
    2. the total file size

    The only reason no one thinks this is what you mean is because of how many people also mess this up.

    muntedcrocodile,

    Sir I have downvoted simply to help you reach a record know that in my heart it is an upvote.

    Churbleyimyam,

    Hoink me with your yimyam flutings.

    Hugh_Jeggs,

    “Language is fluid and constantly changing”

    Our education system is in the toilet and I didn’t pay attention 😂

    Lime66,

    But it is fluid and changing. Do you know anyone who would know what Þæs oferéode, ðisses swá mæg or some other sentence from old english means, or someone who thinks that jail is spelt gaol?

    Melvin_Ferd,

    They reject u even though you spoken truest worders good are.

    Nobody who spoke English that read your sentence misunderstood what you said based and than vs then and that English doesn’t have to be pretty to get the job done

    Hugh_Jeggs,

    I had to read your comment at least twice before I could parse it.

    So basically what you’re both saying is that you are so incredibly selfish, you don’t care if someone needs to read your comments multiple times in order to not misunderstand you, as long as it’s easier for you and you don’t have to bother learning to be understood

    Thanks man

    then_three_more, (edited )

    It’s not grammar it’s an entitlement different word. It would be like refusing to call a dog a dog because you think it sounds better to call it a cat.

    Edit - you know what, I’m leaving that auto correct in. Entitlement looks better here to me than entirely.

    palordrolap,

    Unforchunetly, Ingglish speling duzn't laiyn up with saowndz wun-tuh-wun.

    Spelling things how you say them can lead to people misunderstanding or causing unintended(?) pain.

    Melvin_Ferd,

    Understood everything you wrote without issue.

    English is a Honda civic. Its not pretty but it works even after years of abuse and neglect

    Petter1,

    We write our language (swiss-german) like this 😂 everything is allowed and there are strangely very little misunderstandings. Only bad thing about is, that swiping keyboard rarely work with it.

    Liz,

    I do with English would switch to phonetic spelling, including the eventi of the speaker, but we’re never going to switch. At least the standardized spelling does have a very minor advantage in terms of disambiguation with homophones. But then we had to go and mess up read/read and lead/lead.

    Petter1,

    Read/ret lead/let -> easy 😜 but how to write “do” I mean it is not a normal spoken “o” and not exactly a “u” like it is a “u” but without (yo)u Write phonetic is more easy in German, I think, or maybe only because it is my birth language 🤔

    captainlezbian,

    I think you might speak English with a thick German accent based on your perceptions of how you’d spell our words

    Petter1,

    Fair 😆and expectable, since I normally write phonetic in the german way

    captainlezbian,

    Yeah I was really confused until I thought about how my Großonkel would say it lol. But yeah, in my accent both those words voice the d at the end

    Petter1,

    So it woud be „red“ and „led“?

    captainlezbian,

    At least in a yank accent

    Holzkohlen,

    And us german-germans think you are very weird and you might as well call your spoken language something other than german, cause no one can understand it anyways. Also why are you so afraid of this: ß?

    Wizard_Pope,
    @Wizard_Pope@lemmy.world avatar

    It’s too sharp they don’t wanna get cut

    Petter1,

    🤷🏻‍♀️this Sign is not on the keyboards in our country

    And most people from Austria have no problem understanding us 😉

    Itdidnttrickledown,

    I upvoted it because its nice for someone, anyone to be concerned about me.

    captainlezbian,

    Upvoted because you have the sort of can do won’t do attitude that made American English great. Emerald for dictionarian!

    rezifon,

    You literally used the word “than” in your comment just now.

    StrongHorseWeakNeigh,

    I mean, I suppose I respect the commitment to just being unequivocally wrong.

    clmbmb,

    And ignorant…

    Emerald,

    I’m not really ignorant if I know I am using bad grammar. I know it’s wrong I just do it anyways. That makes me stupid, not ignorant

    StrongHorseWeakNeigh,

    Obstinate sure but not ignorant.

    Emerald,

    If it was an actual formal writing I would use proper grammar but other then (oh man what do I do here) that I never really use than.

    Confused_Emus,

    Hilarious when people want to resort to “I WASN’T WRITING FORMALLY” in these situations. Just take the L and acknowledge it was a flub. Much less cringe that way.

    Emerald,

    Oh I absolutely did take the L

    HopFlop,

    In dead case, I fish you the bessed.

    9point6,

    Lol it’s not grammar, you’ve used an entirely different word that just sounds kinda similar. You’re essentially saying the actual words used don’t matter in these two sentences because they sound similar:

    I like to wear t-shirts

    Eye lick two where tea-shits

    sp3tr4l, (edited )

    I hope this does not affect your usage of effect in the correct context.

    As a former copy editor I find the effect of using affect incorrectly eye roll inducing.

    But yeah, affect is a verb, effect is a noun.

    The easy rule of thumb for then/than is that if you are comparing things or qualities or quantities of things, you use than, otherwise, then is used.

    FooBarrington,

    But yeah, affect is a verb, effect is a noun.

    Unless you are effecting a change :)

    sp3tr4l,

    If you mean that you are having an effect on said change… oh god maybe that’s actually correct?

    If you are affecting (a) change, that would mean you are basically causing change.

    But if you are effecting change, said change would have to have been previously established or referenced.

    I think???

    English is a goddamned shit-show sometimes.

    Anyway, we should bring back the interrobang, and the thorne, and also I actually love the Oxford comma even though the AP style guide hates it.

    FooBarrington,

    It’s the other way around! Effecting a change means causing it, whereas affecting a change would be having some effect on an existing change.

    FarraigePlaisteach,

    I thought there would be a hyphen between “eye” and “roll”, no?

    sp3tr4l,

    lol, you are correct!

    Sadbutdru,

    I came across effect/affect swapping in university level textbook the other day, couldn’t believe it.

    Classy,

    This is me with everyday and every day. It’s an everyday occurrence that I see everyday used incorrectly!

    pmk,

    Consider this: when you speak the listeners know what you mean based on the rest of the sentence. When you write you give the reader the intended word through spelling. People who read will see your words and assume you really meant “then” instead of “than”, and the sentence will make little sense.
    The words “I” and “eye” sound similar, but if you write “eye” I will read a sentence first thinking you are trying to say something about an eye, then when it breaks down, go back and find the issue. End that my friend is less then eye-deal for comprehension.

    Montagge,

    I also enjoy needing to download 1GB to update a 14MB program

    boredsquirrel,

    Flatpak runtimes need to be damn unified. There needs to be one, and instead of a KDE one just have separate runtime parts.

    Currently using 3 (and if I would use Fedora Flatpaks, 4) runtimes. It is okay-ish, but where are all the optimizations?

    I have to say Flatpaks run fine on very old hardware though.

    TimeSquirrel, (edited )
    TimeSquirrel avatar

    The race never stopped. You buy an Apple II. It works for a while. Then everyone is running Lotus 1-2-3 so you gotta get an expensive 386. Now Windows 3.1 and 95 is the standard, and you need Internet too so you buy a modem and a Pentium machine for a couple grand. It's okay for a while. Then downloads take longer and longer, and your computer gets slower again, so you upgrade to 6mbps cable internet and an AMD athlon/Pentium 4, and Windows XP. It's okay for a while. But then games and software no longer fit on a CD ROM. They're using DVDs, and the space they take up on your HD is approaching tens of GB. Suddenly you need to upgrade to 25mbps internet and a terabyte drive to keep up with the space requirements and updates/service packs. You're on a multi core CPU now because nobody fucking optimizes shit anymore and assumes you have the horsepower to deal with it. Then they get rid of physical media altogether. Now you're stuck downloading a fucking several hundred gigabyte game or piece of software on a 100+mbps connection to do largely the same shit we did on that Apple II in 1980. Your system RAM alone can now hold all software ever made for that Apple II with plenty room to spare.

    I get why a lot of retirees in the industry want to burn their computers and take up farming.

    anyhow2503,

    I want to do that, but not because of Flatpak. That’s incredibly far down the list of things I find offensive in my professional life. At the very least it does fulfill some sort of purpose and also doesn’t cost any money to use.

    MrSoup,

    FLASH
    Are you using a white theme terminal? I hope it’s just an edited screenshot.

    Emerald,

    White theme terminal

    possiblylinux127,

    Bantha Fodder

    FrankTheHealer,

    What the fuck is wrong with you lol

    lessthanluigi,

    Based and anti-dark-theme-cult-pilled

    TheUncannyObserver,

    You monster.

    pmk,

    Check out the neat themes of UNIX legends:
    …unix.se/…/screenshots-from-developers--2002-vs.-…

    acockworkorange,

    Oh boy, never meet your heroes.

    BCsven,

    Consider Solarized Light, its is easier on the eyes

    ulterno,
    @ulterno@lemmy.kde.social avatar

    The name “Solarized” suggests otherwise.

    BCsven,

    Ha, it does. I find it great for dark or light viewinng. en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solarized

    brenticus,

    Nord Light was also pretty good when I tried it. I waffle back and forth between light and dark themes now and then and there’s always a few good options that brighten the space without flashbanging you.

    Sorse,
    @Sorse@discuss.tchncs.de avatar
    Hildegarde,

    Light theme used to be the only theme. People now need dark themes because they’re eyes are too week from all the worke.

    Bookmeat,

    Well, you’re half right. White was popularized by early home computers looking to reproduce paper digitally. Apple, Amiga, and Atari all did this and it stuck around a very long time. In fact, many environments are still in transition away from white.

    Notable exceptions included professional audio and video environments who got into the dark themes early because they didn’t want glare from their workstations affecting what they saw when editing in their dark studios.

    Hupf,
    Hildegarde,

    No not that far back

    pmk,

    And before that, black text printed on white continuous form paper.

    d_k_bo,

    Paper doesn’t fry my eyeballs.

    Kusimulkku,

    You could turn down the brightness lol

    Hupf,

    Now I’m wondering if historically people started writing on blackboards first or in paper. Etching into wood/stone doesn’t count since it lacks contrast.

    MrSoup,
    pmk,

    If you look at the Lascaux cave paintings, there’s great potential for a soft earthy color theme imho. Black and red on off-white, similar colors as medieval vellum with black ink and vermillion red/orange.

    AVincentInSpace,

    please let your grammar be indication that this is satire

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