blazera,
@blazera@lemmy.world avatar

Yeah thatll go over well with younger more democrat voters

malloc,

TikTok will just be owned by a different company. It will still exist.

Cheems,
@Cheems@lemmy.world avatar

GOOD! An 🦅American🦅 company wouldn’t use people’s data for nefarious purposes or sell it to the highest bidder. No sir, not a red blooded American company.

Psychodelic,

Leave it to Democrats to do the stupidest thing possible

We literally never might win like a generation of voters back. Trump had already come out against the bill. Young “rebels” are absolutely going to flock to him thinking Biden is going absolutely nuts with power - since that’s already what they’ve been hearing

penquin,

Healthcare? Nah, let’s fight about it for decades and never give people anything meaningful. Education? Nah, let’s make our people go neck deep into debt and still fight about it for decades. Ban TikTok? Hold my bribery, you got it. Gimme 24 hours and you got it, boss.

some_guy,

You don’t want healthcare. Because we said so.

skuzz,

We can’t solve real issues because then we couldn’t keep the American populace overworked, sick, and unable to fight back.

LEDZeppelin,

Here comes POS billionaire like Moron Musk to buy TikTok and turn it into Nazi propaganda machine

Buelldozer,
@Buelldozer@lemmy.today avatar

Nah, it’ll get sold to a company registered in the US or Europe that is funded by various shell companies and private investment groups, most of which will be owned by Chinese Billionaires.

Shadywack,
@Shadywack@lemmy.world avatar

Too bad we can’t ban Meta, Twitter, and Snapchat while we’re at it.

Jako301,

This is not a ban and it was never meant to be. They just force tiktok to sell the US market to a US company. Said US company will continue the platform just like it is at the moment, just with a bit more of that sweet American propaganda mixed into it. Tiktok won’t be gone, all that data will just go to the NSA instead of the CCP, that’s all they wanted.

Shadywack,
@Shadywack@lemmy.world avatar

China says they’re not selling TikTok, which makes it a ban, which is excellent news, actually.

Psychodelic,

Seriously! Ban everything that is bad for people! That has never backfired ever

I mean, remember when we banned all those really bad and dangerous horror comics and nearly collapsed a whole industry of artists, publishers, and distributors for an entire generation so we could feel morally superior about our own hypercritical actions and interests?

We’re really making things great again now!

^^/s

malloc,

won’t happen

Where do you think the FBI gets their domestic terrorist intel from 😂

cybersandwich,

Truth social

TropicalDingdong,

TikTok will cut a deal to send your dick picks to Greenbelt.

Shadywack,
@Shadywack@lemmy.world avatar

Fuck IKR, call the cops because someone side swiped your car and you’ll get no response. Get on FB or Twitter and talk about how you’re planning a bombing and federal agents will show up at your house.

charonn0,
@charonn0@startrek.website avatar

If social media apps exist to slurp up as much user info as possible, and they do, then it makes sense to be concerned about the government that they’re subject to.

AmbiguousProps,

Why is it okay for domestic companies to collect the same data and sell it to China, then?

This shouldn’t just affect foreign companies if it’s about data collection. It should have been an actual privacy bill. US citizens’ privacy will be no better after this.

charonn0,
@charonn0@startrek.website avatar

It’s not ok.

But the fact is that China, North Korea, Iran, and Russia are adversaries of the United States, and the US government is justified in its concern.

Inui,

What’s China gonna do to me all the way over here? People should be worried about their own government spying on them first.

charonn0,
@charonn0@startrek.website avatar

With the sort of detailed personal profile a social media app has on you, they could target your specific beliefs, religious convictions, sexual preferences, political affiliation, fears, interests, desires, etc. to manipulate your opinion in their interests. Doing this on a population-wide scale is what social media platforms are all about (i.e. targeted advertising). It’s wise to be concerned about an adversary having such a tool at its disposal. And this is true for all countries, not just the US.

AmbiguousProps,

They didn’t seem to care much when Cambridge Analytica happened, and that was a foreign adversary. So what’s different here?

charonn0,
@charonn0@startrek.website avatar

The United Kingdom is not an adversary of the United States. In fact it’s one of our closest allies. But, if anything, that suggests this law isn’t enough, not that it’s too much.

AmbiguousProps,

I meant that the data they collected was breached by a foreign adversary, thought that was pretty clear but guess not.

charonn0,
@charonn0@startrek.website avatar

And the fact that a foreign adversary obtained this information was very bad, agreed? Clearly, it makes sense to take steps to keep that kind of information out of adversarial hands.

AmbiguousProps,

Yes, my point was this only affects one of them. It doesn’t fix the root of the problem, because that’s not the bill’s target.

In fact, if TikTok remains, and does get banned, it just makes it so they no longer have to listen to the US government for anything.

charonn0,
@charonn0@startrek.website avatar

The law affects social media apps based in North Korea, China, Iran, and Russia. These four countries are already restricted from participating in sensitive areas of the US economy, with forced sale being an option. The only really novel part of this law is applying such restrictions to software.

AmbiguousProps,

You’re missing my point. The adversaries have many more avenues than just TikTok (like breaching the domestic companies that collect the data). The law is too specific and therefore does not actually protect us in any real way, at least not on a personal level.

charonn0,
@charonn0@startrek.website avatar

It’s not too specific, it’s narrowly tailored. Which is one of the things it needs to be in order to survive a 1st amendment challenge.

AmbiguousProps, (edited )

Does it stop my data from getting to the CCP? Nope, so I would say it’s too specific. The problem is not TikTok exclusively, the problem is that the data is collected and sold in the first place. This doesn’t stop that.

Also, it leaves a bad taste when you say it was crafted to narrowly skirt the 1st amendment. That’s not a good thing, so I’m not sure why you’re trying to imply that it is.

Psychodelic,

It’s like people legit don’t want to understand your point.

It’s kinda insane seeing people/the Overton window turn progressively more and more authoritarian

charonn0,
@charonn0@startrek.website avatar

No, but it does prohibit companies in those four sanctioned countries from operating social media apps in the US. The fact that it’s not a perfect protection is no good reason not to do it. The fact that it was written with an eye towards the first amendment is not a valid criticism.

Infynis,
@Infynis@midwest.social avatar

I can’t believe this is the one thing this congress has actually managed to do. We just want healthcare

skuzz,

You’ll take your overpriced medicine from your out of network pharmacy and you’ll like it. At the fake markup price. And good luck getting that ultrasound, they’re going to code the billing wrong so instead of it being $40 it’s $1000. That’s freedom talking.

aesthelete,

And good luck getting that ultrasound, they’re going to code the billing wrong so instead of it being $40 it’s $1000.

🎶 Ain’t that America! Home of the free baby! 🎶

Bald eagle screeches

skuzz,

You pick up what Uncle Sam is throwing down!

Omegamanthethird,
@Omegamanthethird@lemmy.world avatar

I want both.

WhatAmLemmy,

Healthcare!?! Who needs healthcare when Congress is giving us our god given freedom of domestic surveillance capitalism, which is the freedomist freedom that ever freedomed, you filthy communist!

So anyway, I started violating civil liberties… PEW PEW

TropicalDingdong,

I’m convinced that US lawmakers believe that the pro-gaza sentiment is coming from TikTok. The timing, the mechanism. They see themselves as no longer able to control the narrative and are blaming ‘non-US’ social media.

Buelldozer,
@Buelldozer@lemmy.today avatar

I’d like to point out that the US has been publicly going after TikTok since the Trump Administration so I’m unconvinced that the timing lines up.

Corkyskog,

I think it’s more so just about controlling narratives in general. Tiktok has a lot of real time tracking of politician corruption and trades. A lot of good useful info for political activism, etc.

Buelldozer,
@Buelldozer@lemmy.today avatar

So did Twitter and even in the Pre-Elon days the Federal Government didn’t go after it like this.

baseless_discourse, (edited )

Now they can move to better platforms like mastodon, lemmy, peertube, pixelfed, which unlike tiktok, can be hosted outside the U.S. and don’t seek to suck every bit of data out of every user.

Arguably better platforms to organize activism, especially in conjunction with secure messaging apps that are out of the U.S. control.

WanderingVentra,

And yet it finally got the momentum to succeed now, during all these Gaza protests and when the US-Israeli mainline narratives have been starting to break down for the first time.

ceenote,

Not sure if the reason Biden can barely walk is because he’s 1000 or because of all those holes in his foot.

ChicoSuave,

Not sure if the reason you can’t leave a coherent comment is because you’re a bot or just as stupid as one.

ceenote, (edited )

Didn’t realize it was so tough to infer that banning tiktok might upset big parts of Biden’s base, who are already alienated by the Gaza situation, and that I was likening it to shooting oneself in the foot. Sorry.

Valmond,

wHaT aBoUt biDeN?!! gEnOCidE !!1!

“I’m a russian bot BTW Contakt kremlin@russia.con if I makfunktion”

Gork,

Will there be a TikTok dance on TikTok that covers this event?

Viking_Hippie,

The Tiktok dance to end all Tiktok dances. Literally.

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