About 1 in 4 US adults 50 and older who aren't yet retired expect to never retire, AARP study finds

About one-quarter of U.S. adults age 50 and older who are not yet retired say they expect to never retire and 70% are concerned about prices rising faster than their income, an AARP survey finds.

About 1 in 4 have no retirement savings, according to research released Wednesday by the organization that shows how a graying America is worrying more and more about how to make ends meet even as economists and policymakers say the U.S. economy has all but achieved a soft landing after two years of record inflation.

Everyday expenses and housing costs, including rent and mortgage payments, are the biggest reasons why people are unable to save for retirement.

Kayday,

I have had conversations with evangelicals who believe retiring is morally wrong, based entirely on this one passage:

For even when we were with you, we gave you this command: Anyone unwilling to work should not eat. 2 Thessalonians 3:10

I can’t begin to wrap my head around this.

RBWells,

Yeah, I took some years off to raise my kids, went to college while they were little, and overall I think it paid off but not to the point I plan to retire on purpose. Always saved what I could because employer matched, but some years that was $50 a month. Now finally at mid 50s with a husband who actually works (but had the same trajectory as a functionally single parent then actually single parent). We are sorta raking it in now but paying off the past still.

It’s not a terrible feeling, honestly, if doing again I might actually have chosen more years on the front end with the little kids, rather than time off when old. When I’m old, why not work? I have more time each year as some of the kids move out, once they are all grown maybe I will have enough time to work without feeling so rushed.

Of course the problem with this is that most people don’t choose to retire, it’s forced on them. Even as a clear minded fit and in shape 50 something I am one medical event or layoff away from “retirement”, right? That is what sucks.

billwashere,

Well I’ll retire (sorta). I’ll just get another job making 50% what I was making and earning 75% of my original salary through retirement. I’ll work till I’m dead but at least I’ll make more money for a bit … until inflation eats it.

IphtashuFitz,

My dad did this for a while. Had a nice white collar job my entire childhood. He loved boating and owned one for 40+ years. A year or so after he retired from that he got a part time job as a cashier at a marine supply store. He loved the interactions with other boaters. He did that for probably 10 years before retiring fully.

skyspydude1,

I’m in MI and I’m pretty sure half the staff of any hardware store are retired Big 3 engineers. I’ve talked with them before, and most of them are more than comfortable financially, but just like having a routine, getting out of the house, and the employee discounts.

Diplomjodler3, (edited )

Incredible. You can bet your ass I won’t work another day after I retire. I’m limping along to get to the finish line even though I still have a few years to go.

skyspydude1,

A job is far more enjoyable when you know you don’t need it and have to put up with absolutely zero shit since you can leave at any time.

ryathal,

A part time job after retirement basically keeps people alive. Just sitting on a couch all day watching TV kills you pretty fast.

Asifall,

I think that people don’t really understand what it means when they claim they have no plans to retire. My in-laws are always saying things like “I’ll work until I die” while they take out debt to go on vacations but they recently brought up that we should make sure to get an extra bedroom for them if/when we buy a house. The disconnect is infuriating.

bluewing,

There are reason for them asking about an extra bedroom. And that is at some point, something will happen and they can no longer work at anything. For example, as much as I would still like to do something to do, I can no longer physically work. Even though I can still do things, ain’t no one going to hire me to even be a greeter at Walmart…

Nor do people want to survive and die in a nursing home. It’s not a good place to die. We recently went through this 4 years ago with my Wife’s Father. Fortunately, we have/had the skills to care for someone at end of life. And we gave up our lives to do so. And he was able to die peacefully at home.

Whether or not you choose to do something similar is completely up to you and your family.

joneskind,
@joneskind@lemmy.world avatar

Same here in EU TBH

Hugh_Jeggs,

Yep that’s my experience too. That said, we were a bunch of hedonistic arseholes in the 90s so it’s no surprise we’re irresponsible 😅

Sam_Bass,

We all be on that cruise

Jaysyn,
Jaysyn avatar

That's probably low.

Zerlyna,
@Zerlyna@lemmy.world avatar

I am hoping they have Carousel when I turn 70.

Grabthar,

Renew! Renew!

AlecSadler,

At 40 and with $8k in my retirement fund (cashed it out on a business venture right before COVID…live and learn) I’m anticipating to do this as well.

Ah, life.

AA5B,

You’ve got time. Time is your biggest weapon. Start putting aside what you can and let time work for you

Kyrgizion, (edited )

I’m 40 and I will work until the day I die.

I just hope that will be in my 60’s rather than my 80’s…

dependencyinjection,

Same but I think I’ll die the day after my mum does.

That way I only need to survive as long as she does.

jordanlund,
@jordanlund@lemmy.world avatar

Only 1 in 4? 🤔 I’ve NEVER been under the illusion I would retire.

AbidanYre,

Are you over 50?

jordanlund,
@jordanlund@lemmy.world avatar

Yup!

Trollception,

Did you save at least 20-30% of your income in tax advantaged accounts?

jordanlund,
@jordanlund@lemmy.world avatar

30% on the solar panels. ;)

Kecessa,

I would like to see a long term study on how people feel about it because I understand people in their 20s feel like it’s hopeless but it would be nice to know how their opinion evolves as they move through their career.

nondescripthandle, (edited )

My late 20s saw the delcine in health of my grandparents who I lived with. Seeing how elder care goes Im more frightened now than ever before. I have more to my name than ever before but seeing how it took a loud fight from the whole family to get the care centers just to take basic care of an elder, knowing I don’t have a spouse and dont plan on having kids, Im terrfied I’m going to die neglected unbathed in the corner of some place that may as well be a mental institution.

The ‘lonelines crisis’ were seeing now is going to lead to many people who become disabled by aging have no family or other support structures to lean on and I wouldn’t be surprised to see sick elderly people dying on the streets in mass in a few decades time.

Tldr: once you’re old enough to start forgetting things, no amount of money can protect you from neglect. You need family to go to bat for you and less and less people are making families. I didn’t used to believe in human euthanasia but now Im praying its legal by the time I get that old.

gimpchrist,
@gimpchrist@lemmy.world avatar

I’ve got literal $0 for retirement and my bank account is in the red. It’s not going to be too good when I’m old.

tal,
@tal@lemmy.today avatar

I really think that some time should be given to personal finance in school curriculum.

When I went through, we learned to write a check and balance a checkbook. That was it.

AA5B,

I’m not sure it will help in this scenario. This is more of an instant gratification thing. Whether someone has a bit extra or not, you’re asking them to do without, on the hope that it will be more useful in half a century. This is completely against human nature.

afraid_of_zombies,

I think we need to bring back pensions. There is plenty of money around.

Ellecram,

I guess I am one of the lucky ones. I will be retiring next year with both a pension and social security. I work in county government and that was one of the perks.

HobbitFoot,

It depends on who is running them. A lot of them aren’t being run well and the federal insurance to protect it is running out of money.

Jaysyn,
Jaysyn avatar

Make that criminally illegal & enforce it & that will stop.

afraid_of_zombies,

It does but you know so does everything else in life. I think me and you both agree that fire departments should be a thing and I think we both agree that convicted arsonists shouldn’t be running fire departments.

Pensions are a good thing and yes that depends on them being run well. Which really shouldn’t be that hard. Even boring T-Bills and Index funds and land in downtown areas would be fine. I don’t think most people expect their pension fund to return 11% a year.

AA5B,

Definitely not. While the current situation doesn’t work, neither did pensions. You had to work at one job your whole life, and then were subject to the business decisions of all the sociopathic CEOs throughout your career, as well as whether the corp even survived. I don’t think small companies even had an option. There were some people where this all came together but way too few.

Current IRA and 401k plans have one HUGE benefit: the money is yours. It doesn’t matter whether you change jobs, work for big or small, or the corp goes out of business, the money is yours.

I’m pretty sure more people have some retirement savings now than they did in the days of pensions. Let’s figure out how to turn that into most people having enough savings

afraid_of_zombies,

The money is not yours with an IRA or 401K. It is Goldman’s. They tell you what fund you can invest in and they make it near impossible to roll it into another account and they charge fees for maintenance and for gains.

Sure you on paper own it, but it is really stretching the limits of that word.

ryathal,

What we need is better mandatory contributions to 401Ks. Right now a companies are saving a lot of money compared to pensions by having such low match minimums. Companies also have to auto enroll people, but only at the minimum match level. Lots of pensions required far more commitment that was mandatory.

zenharbinger,

My oldest did have to take a personal finance class in high school (last year) and did cover things like retirement saving and different methods of. I think some places are trying.

Edit: I, on the other hand, had your experience.

njm1314,

Doesn’t matter how many classes you take when there’s multiple Financial collapses in your lifetime

SuiXi3D,
@SuiXi3D@fedia.io avatar

Managing your finances can only do so much when you barely bring in enough to cover rent.

tal,
@tal@lemmy.today avatar

It definitely isn’t the case that a quarter of the country can’t afford to save anything though their whole working life.

QuarterSwede,
@QuarterSwede@lemmy.world avatar

Definitely. I’m a branch manager and we’re putting together a financial training class for our employees because everyone is so bad at budgeting (like non existent to I don’t understand percentages … this is common core at work). School system has completely failed at this and many parents have as well.

FancyPantsFIRE,

My high school had a mandatory senior class that taught things like budgeting, investing, filing (very simple) taxes, and balancing a check book. It also required you to do some form of community service. The investing portion was bad as it was basically stock picking with fun money.

It’s hard to say how much the class impacted me as I don’t have a control, and I then proceeded through four years of college not really exercising those skills. I suspect it’s not a silver bullet, but still a positive inclusion in the curriculum.

Kecessa,

These days I’m sure we would see students saying they went SPY 0DTE YOLO because of WSB’s popularity

dhork,

Yeah, schools should be teaching more about financial literacy, but it’s impossible to teach kids about good habits for retirement 40+ years down the road when the laws that govern their retirement haven’t been written yet.

Heck, I’m old enough that my first job out of college actually had a pension plan. I never expected to work long enough there to take advantage of it, though. And I was correct – even if I didn’t leave when I did, the place eventually went bankrupt. Any advice they would have given me in high school about retirement savings would be obsolete now.

The only advice that is eternal is to save money, and live below your means. That seems difficult these days, though, especially for young kids just starting out.

afraid_of_zombies,

My wife has a pension through her employer, it is going to be her last employer until retirement. Hey at least the golden handcuffs are golden.

projectsquared,

More and I are in this exact boat. Want to find something - ANYTHING - else but can’t risk losing that pension. Eggs in one basket and all that.

afraid_of_zombies,

Makes you wonder why more employers aren’t doing it. Puts employees in the awkward position where they can’t quit because the salary is so high.

MagicShel,

I’ve got retirement funds scattered across a half-dozen different companies and honestly I have no idea how to find it. Probably doesn’t amount to more than $150k anyway. Could be half that - I really have no way of knowing. I was planning on never retiring, but the job market says otherwise. I might already be retired. Six weeks into my job search with 25 years of experience and not even an interview much less an offer. It hasn’t been this bad since 2010.

dhork,

That money is yours no matter how far it is scattered. Try to get in contact with those companies and check in on the accounts. You are allowed to move those funds into a single rollover IRA account with no tax hit if they send the check to the Rollover IRA provider directly.

You might be surprised at what you have. You might remember putting in $150k but it’s possible it has grown quite a bit since then.

grue,

You might be surprised at what you have. You might remember putting in $150k but it’s possible it has grown quite a bit since then.

It’s also possible something dumb might have happened, like it ending up in a cash-equivalent sweep account or something, which only makes it more urgent that he get it all rolled over into an IRA that’s set up and paid attention to properly.

leadore,
leadore avatar

Wow, you sound pretty nonchalant about losing $150K!

MagicShel,

I mean it’s somewhere. I don’t know what companies hold it but I’m sure there are records somewhere. I probably have to dig through emails up to a decade back - assuming I used personal emails instead of work emails. It really doesn’t matter for another nearly twenty years. I’m sure it’ll turn up.

I sort of have to not think about it to avoid obsessing over it. I’m sure I’m not the first person to not know what institutions hold their 401Ks. There a system for figuring it out.

leadore,
leadore avatar

It's better to do it ASAP before they're decreed abandoned. Dig thorough everything and also check your State's Unclaimed Property dept (or the one for whatever state you were working in I suppose). And/or do some searching online to find out how to reclaim them.

AA5B,

Rolling funds over to consolidate is free and easy, but you have to find it first and do some paperwork. It would really help you to have it all together in one spot that you can pay attention to (yes, that was me a few years back).

Hopefully not your scenario but

  • I’d you get divorced, they charge per fund to take half your money, regardless of how much. I lost thousands of dollars unnecessarily just by not having consolidated
afraid_of_zombies,

It’s not easy. I lost a day of my life with the paperwork and phone calls to do it once. It’s fine, learned my lesson, next time I will go straight to the screaming on the phone.

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