paul,
@paul@tapbots.social avatar

M3 4/4
M3 Pro 6/6
M3 Max 12/4

So I guess M3 Pro is a downgrade/sidegrade from the M2 Pro. Max is a nice upgrade from the old stuff.

As someone who doesn't care about GPU performance I'm slightly annoyed at having to spend the fancy GPU tax to get the better CPU.

kkolakowski,
@kkolakowski@mastodon.social avatar

@paul Thanks to better E-cores performance, M3 Pro should be faster in general multithreaded perf - but I bet there'll be workflows that would show decrease in performance relative to M2 Pro or maybe even M1 Pro 🤔

Didn't Intel basically did similar stuff with their asymmetric architecture within their lineup? 🤔

Cuprohastes,

@paul
But look, it’s got a really good gpu performance when compared to a a CPU!
I mean it’d be nice if they compare the GPU to a GPU but…

SloanStudio,
@SloanStudio@mastodon.social avatar

@paul I'm confused how a Pro can be a cut die from a Max now… did they just abandon that approach?

ezwal,
@ezwal@social.lol avatar

@paul GLAD I JUST GOT MY NEW M2 MACBOOK AT WORK LAST WEEK.

haha

paul,
@paul@tapbots.social avatar

The new 14" MacBook Pro now without Pro chip! 🤷‍♂️

weskarl,

@paul and lowered base ram from 16gb to 8gb

dharrison,

@paul If it’s an replacement for the 13” Pro, that’s good…

paul,
@paul@tapbots.social avatar

🤬

ParkscopeJoe,

@paul the $1800 model with 8Gb is even more egregious IMHO

whyrl,

@paul Now that's terrifying. 🙀🙀

jnv,
@jnv@fosstodon.org avatar

@paul 8GB and a lightning cable!

Season 2 Wtf GIF by Parks and Recreation

imabuddha,
@imabuddha@techhub.social avatar

@paul I’m sure they will sell you a reasonable amount of ram for only a few thousand dollars more.

mackuba,
@mackuba@martianbase.net avatar

@paul 8GB RAM lulz

kylebshr,
@kylebshr@mastodon.social avatar

@paul wow even the bumped up storage tier has 8GB

edmn,
@edmn@mastodon.social avatar

@paul 256GB/8GB for iMac.

Mike_Enos,

@paul but no touchbar!

MattF_NorCal,
@MattF_NorCal@mastodon.social avatar

@paul Looks like it's spec'd similarly to the M2 13" base model it replaces, except with double the storage (the 13" M2 base model only came with 256GB).

usrGabriel,

@paul They really weren’t kidding about the “scary” part

jessiewonka,

@paul “We've lowered the price, so we can raise the price.”

inickt,

@paul And it looks like the base M3 Pro chip is also cut down? I don’t remember that for M1 or M2?

StrangeNoises,
@StrangeNoises@mastodon.social avatar

@paul i think that base model is intended to replace (finally) the 13” MBP

jamwil,

@paul hahaha wtf

paul,
@paul@tapbots.social avatar

The MacBook “Pro" has ‘Two Thunderbolt / USB 4 (USB-C) ports'. The MacBook Pro has ‘Three Thunderbolt 4 (USB-C) ports’. I have no idea what the difference is (other than +1).

scottsmith,

@paul From what I gather, USB 4 is based on TB 3, whereas Thunderbolt 4 has higher baseline bandwidth requirements.

ottobackwards,
@ottobackwards@fosstodon.org avatar

@paul @siracusa aggro!!!!

mitchandmacs,

@paul the entry level ‘Pro’ only does one external display. We’re at the M3 now and still only have a single display controller on the entry level chip. It’s $3500 AUD to drive two external displays natively now.

paul,
@paul@tapbots.social avatar

Apple magic math!

video/mp4

MattF_NorCal,
@MattF_NorCal@mastodon.social avatar

@paul Oh, right — the 16-core Max has a minimum of 48GB memory, so you get that upgrade tacked on too.

noondlyt,
@noondlyt@mastodon.social avatar

@paul The art of the bundle

francehopper,

@paul I mean, MacOS Sonoma kinda proved Apple has their own version of math.

leoncowle,
@leoncowle@hachyderm.io avatar

@paul I misread your post as “Apple magic meth” and tbh it kinda works even better!

jibsaramnim,
@jibsaramnim@mastodon.social avatar

@paul USB4 is this whole 'nother bag of hurt "standard" which includes optional features, which means there's even more "maybes" associated with that singular port.
There's no reliable way to know what the port (or indeed cable) is capable of without just.. kind of trying it and hoping? I have a USB4 dock collecting dust because of this. The devices I got it for all support "USB4," but in a way that it basically doesn't work except in some very specific cases, maybe.
It's great.

khaost,
@khaost@tz.is avatar

@paul Thunderbolt 4 certification requires every port to support the full 32Gbps bandwidth allocation and display output, where M3 doesn't do.

paul,
@paul@tapbots.social avatar

@khaost oh because it can only support a single external display, makes sense. Is the bandwidth of the port actually lower though?

khaost,
@khaost@tz.is avatar

@paul I’m not sure if M3 allocates the full bandwidth for each port individually

paul,
@paul@tapbots.social avatar

@khaost I think the M1, etc.. do. At least if they don't I never noticed it, so got to image the M3 would too.

formula1matt,

@paul it’s obscene

drewpickard,

@paul
lol
Garbage specs

mckern,
@mckern@xoxo.zone avatar

@paul yeah I saw that shit. 16GB wasn't enough so why the fuck are they selling 8GB?

ezekiel, (edited )
@ezekiel@hachyderm.io avatar

@paul I've a developer and I used an 8GB M1 Air for over a year - Xcode and video games were the only time I noticed it.

I'm on a 16GB M2 Air now, but for most people 8GB is truly fine, citing myself having lived it.

250GB is much more of a problem for the average user than 8GB of ram.

Edit: 8GB on the Pro is ridiculous, no argument there

matt,

@paul I’m not sure the last time 8GB was enough for unshared computation memory for any pro workflow but I think it was over ten years ago…

MysticalOS,

@paul yeah I saw that too, it's utter blasphemy. there are videos on internet of facebook making 8 GB configs chug, forget running anything actually demanding.

SloanStudio,
@SloanStudio@mastodon.social avatar

@paul I can't imagine how much caching happens on that machine. LOL

torsteinv,
@torsteinv@mastodon.social avatar

@paul it's 2400$ here in norway, so even more 😡🤬

platkus,

@paul I’m with you. I couldn’t conceive of purchasing any computer with only 8GB of RAM these days. But at the same time I’m running Sonoma on my 2016 12 inch MacBook with 8GB of RAM. It’s a couch machine for surfing and email and chatting and FaceTime etc. And it’s actually fine for all of that. So I guess it is defensible to sell a Mac for that use case with only 8GB. Sure, it seems odd to buy a MacBook Pro for that use case, but I bet a lot of folks do.

8johnr8,
@8johnr8@mastodon.social avatar

@paul This way they can remove the 13 inch pro from the lineup ;)

kylestay,

@paul much, much, much better screen though (than 13”)

vmachiel,
@vmachiel@mastodon.nl avatar

@paul it’s to replace the touchbar model. It’s fine. Companies want something cheap, and employees want a Pro in the name.

matt,
@matt@isfeeling.social avatar

@paul That was the vibe I got too. As an M2 Pro user, this makes my wallet happy.

kkarhan,

@paul that's intentional.

Don't eben get me started on the anti-consumer bs of soldered-down RAM & SSDs or the anti-repair shitness of glied-in batteries and riveted-in Keyboards!
https://ak.kawen.space/objects/7076cd95-5539-4da2-86c7-4ae98f938a79

Smugamander,

@paul More CPU on the Max is another upselling opportunity, I suspect more CPU performance sells better than more GPU performance generally speaking. 8+4 was a great sweet spot IMO

feedmd,
@feedmd@mastodon.social avatar

@paul I’ll keep my m2.

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