TonyStark,
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If you’re sharing stuff such as “it’s the Jews” or “it’s all secretly AIPAC”, you’re not progressive, you’re not an “indie journalist”, and you’re not digging up some underground Jewish cabal activity.

You’re a conspiracy theorist no different from Alex Jones or Marjorie Taylor Greene spreading space lasers and people drinking blood and all the right wing stuff you’ve claimed to abhor. You’re no different.

The Jews Aren’t Taking Away TikTok - The Atlantic:
https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2024/04/antisemitism-conspiracy-theories-tiktok/678088/

“Characteristic of anti-Semitic online discourse, these videos and others like them interchangeably reference individual American Jews, American Jewish organizations like the Anti-Defamation League, American pro-Israel lobbying groups like AIPAC, and the state of Israel, as though they are all part of one single- minded international conspiracy to take down TikTok. When a commenter asked Carroll to "look into universal studios pulling their music from TikTok," a reference to the Universal Music conglomerate's dispute with TikTok over royalties, Carroll replied, "Universal CEO is a Jewish man."”
“Consider recent American history: In 2018, a far-right gunman who blamed Jews for mass immigration murdered 11 people in Pittsburgh's Tree of Life synagogue. In 2019, assailants tied to the Black Hebrew Israelite movement attacked a kosher supermarket in Jersey City, killing three; one of the shooters had written on social media about Jews controlling the government. In 2022, an Islamic extremist took an entire congregation hostage in Colleyville, Texas, and demanded that a rabbi get a convict released from a nearby prison. These perpetrators-white supremacist, Black extremist, radical Islamist-had essentially nothing in common other than their belief that a Jewish cabal governed world affairs and was the cause of their problems.”
“The reality is the reverse: Jews constitute just 2 percent of the American population, and although they exercise influence like any other minority, they frequently disagree among themselves and do not dictate the destiny of the majority. Politicians voting against TikTok are pursuing their conception of the national interest, not being suborned to serve some nebulous Jewish interest. Remove the Jews from the equation, and the situation will be the same. Conspiracy theorists typically claim to be combatting concealed power structures. But as in this case, their delusions make them unable to perceive the way power actually works. Thus, conspiratorial anti-Semitism hobbles its adherents, preventing them from rationally organizing to advance their own causes by distracting them with fantastical Jewish plots.”

Snowshadow,
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@TonyStark
The wilfully ignorant and most repugnant are always the loudest and attract the most attention. Time to shut them down.

richard_merren,
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@TonyStark This is often expressed with euphemisms like "Soros-funded" or "globalists" or "industrialist" or whatever so that it is a dog-whistle--recognizable to the believers but reasonable or innocuous-sounding to others. We hear it and we recognize it, and we are told we are overreacting or "weaponizing antisemitism" when we call it out. But we have to keep pushing back on it.

MJ,
@MJ@progressivecafe.social avatar

@TonyStark They are also the same as Elon Musk, Joe Rogan, and right wingers who blame DEI and wokeness for everything. It’s all the same delusions.

dukepaaron,
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@TonyStark These Jews seem to be up to a lot of shenanigans, according to the innernetz.

TonyStark,
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@dukepaaron If they can’t lie about us, they’ll be nothing left for them to hold against us.

raf,
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@dukepaaron @TonyStark

I didn't realise we killed Kennedy. Must have missed that episode of InfoWars

TonyStark,
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@raf @dukepaaron You can find it on left TikTok now along with we broke the Baltimore bridge, we canceled “Gossip Girl”, we caused inflation, and we shot the sheriff. We’re super busy.

slcw,
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@TonyStark There's been a recent influx of young "progressives" who have lost the plot, and are acting as virulently antisemitic, pro-Hamas, pro-Islamist agitators. I just read an article about a pack of them who basically took over a NY subway, and screamed antisemitic, pro-Hamas rhetoric in the faces of subway riders. These people are ignorant of the facts, and have been completely captured by anti-Jewish Islamists.

TonyStark,
@TonyStark@progressivecafe.social avatar

@slcw

Antisemitism isn't just the world's oldest form of bigotry, it's also one of the last acceptable forms.

kilroy_was_here,
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@slcw @TonyStark

My observation of these types is that they aren't looking to make things better, they're just looking for somebody to blame for their problems, and if that makes things worse, then it doesn't matter, they got in their 2 minutes of hate. And they've been propagandized in such a way that they see people to blame everywhere.

slcw,
@slcw@newsie.social avatar

@kilroy_was_here @TonyStark That's my take. It seems to be all about petulant, uninformed children looking for an excuse to express fury. It's this performative outrage that honestly reminds me of the "struggle sessions" that were popular in Mao's China in the 60s.

TonyStark,
@TonyStark@progressivecafe.social avatar

@slcw @kilroy_was_here

It's wild to me, someone who's left of center, that the same people who think themselves relatively well versed in microaggressions seem to readily want to commit them on Jewish people all over the world, including people who are entirely uninvolved.

And yes, it’s definitely reminiscent of that.

ShiitakeToast,
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@TonyStark I passed by the manhattan criminal court on Monday when people were crowding around for the Trump case, and someone was holding a huge sign that said “Google Jews vs. TikTok”. I wondered what fresh hell that was. Now I guess I know.

TonyStark,
@TonyStark@progressivecafe.social avatar

@ShiitakeToast Oh, excellent. I’m actually on the Lower East Side today because I had a meeting earlier and was considering checking out the rest of the city today because I haven’t been here for awhile but gonna just head out then. Unbelievable.

ShiitakeToast,
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@TonyStark I think they’re not in court on Wednesdays. It’s safe to hang out. Midtown is a little messy, though. They closed off 56th b/t 5&6 because that’s where the secret service is setting up camp.

TonyStark,
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@ShiitakeToast Thank you.

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